January 30, 2009
Keep your laws off my octuplets!
Unless you've been living under a rock, you've likely already seen the story of the Southern California who woman who gave birth to the world's first known surviving
set of octuplets.
What you may not know, is that (no surprise) despite the family's plea for privacy, the vultures have been hard at work and have discovered that she already has (gasp!) six children, these babies were conceived (gasp!) via IVF, and that she's (wait for it........) a single mother living with her bankrupt parents.
"Where are the ethics??" scream the journos and the academics. "How could you justify fertility treatment for a woman who already has a pack of kids? Don't you have a MORAL OBLIGATION to keep a poor (reputedly on Medicaid), single woman from populating the planet with her bastards that the rest of us are going to have to support?"
There oughta be a law! A law I tell ya! (read the comments here)
Well, there is a law. Just not here. I'm sure you've heard of China.
The selfsame "voices of the people" who decry this woman's choice to have a large family are the same folks who cry out bitterly about China's One Child policy.
Either fertility is regulated or it is not. How many children is too many? Is it a sliding scale based on your ability to pay for them? If so, I'd wager most of us would have disappeared up the abortionist's vacuum tube.
Somehow they also fail to mention that if it's my choice to have a child or not, that includes BOTH outcomes: having the baby or not having the baby. The faceless critics lamenting this woman's "irresponsible choice" (a phrase uttered by a so-called Bio-Ethics expert during a news report this morning) are also the same crew lobbying so hard to keep abortion legal.
I'm sorry, but I thought "Keep your laws off my body" was an absolute. Or does that just apply to the popular choices?
I haven't even touched the infertility aspect of this case. Many of my dear friends struggle with infertility, some have pursued multiple courses of treatment. Some, ultimately, decided that the pursuit was futile despite the deepest longings of their heart for a biological child. Having seen the struggle that so many endure, it seems to me that any successful procedure resulting in a healthy baby is a win. Perhaps those of you who have been down this road would like to chime in.
Certainly, it is a pertinent question, how will this mom support 14 children? But how does a 14 year old support one baby? How do two parents with two careers handle two or three small ones? Raising kids is not easy for anyone at anytime. 14 children, including (reportedly) 2 with special needs and 8 infants presents a huge challenge, but that doesn't mean necessarily that the children will be neglected or hungry. In fact, it's entirely possible that these 14 kids will be MUCH better off than some kids with only one or two siblings.
You can't have it both ways, either people get to choose the family they want, or they don't. And if they don't, who makes the rules? Based on what?
It works so well elsewhere, after all....
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Excellent article, truly! If the parent is not able to care for the children at that point the state would step in and take them. But like you said... how do we know she can or can't? It's none of our dang business.
Posted by: pam at January 30, 2009 12:01 PM (l6NIn)
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Beautifully said. And quite right. Once you start trying to legislate this kind of thing - it's bad for everyone and you end up like China.
Of course I wonder where she got the money for IVF - is it covered under medicaid? I won't take anything the media says as being true - they have tipped their hand on how they feel about any children at all... So I'll just go back to my life and not worry about this woman... Imagine that - I'm going to walk away and let her live her own life!!!
Posted by: Teresa at January 30, 2009 02:03 PM (ybEr8)
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the local media have stated that the mom works at a fertility clinic. Insinuating, of course, that her bosses provided free services since IVF is NOT covered by Medicaid.
Posted by: caltechgirl at January 30, 2009 02:46 PM (IfXtw)
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Ouch. I'm split both ways on this. I'm totally against any government interference in this matter, but I hope to hell she's able to care for all of them. I have nothing but the utmost contempt for mothers who keep having children and don't take care of them (like my wife's niece). Either other family members have to pick up the slack, or they end up in foster care (almost the worst outcome). If they are going to continue having kids they have to take full responsibility for their raising and care.
Legal sanctions for a mother's irresponsibility? Probably. I think the niece should be breaking rocks until every last one of her kids (5 at last count) turn 18. But government dictating how many kids one can and cannot have? Sorry, that's how China handles things. Caltechgirl's argument wins.
Posted by: diamond dave at January 30, 2009 07:16 PM (iBUsJ)
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I'm confused -- I went to the links but I only saw comments indicating that they thought the mother was irresponsible. Where are the "journos and the academics" who are screaming that the government should regulate the privacy of a woman's body? Though I think it *is* freaking irresponsible to have ANY child, one or six or eight, when you cannot not emotionally, physically, or financially support them, I don't know anyone who says (other than insane web people who I've never met) that there should be a law that regulates the number of children people can have in this country.
Posted by: SBC at January 31, 2009 08:03 AM (1Q6g4)
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Did you even SEE the news? These talking heads were EVERYWHERE.
Posted by: caltechgirl at January 31, 2009 10:23 AM (IfXtw)
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I'll be honest, I don't watch the local news that much if at all. But I do watch CM, KO, and RM -- the liberal trifecta of talking heads -- and I don't remember them saying anything other than it happened and I can't even remember if all of them said the the births happened. Most of what I've been reading or seeing is about the stimulus bill anyway...
I remember a story on NBC saying that octuplets are at risk for a ton of health things (which is in fact GOOD that they reported on that)...maybe its on the morning shows? I mean, I can understand people talking about the responsibility of the woman the same way I can understand talking about the responsibility of teenage pregnancies but there were talking heads who said we should regulate how many children? Are these talking heads who are saying this on Fox?
But it sounds like that issue that people are having isn't so much about how many children can one have but should IVF procedures be cleared to someone that has more than double the average number of children per American household. It may be treated like organ donation where medical boards decide if people are either young enough or healthy enough for the procedure because even though IVF has a hefty bill at the end (so its usually a procedure only available to the upper middle class - rich groups), it still takes time and resources from other people. But that's going to be up to the individual hospitals and companies probably in the end...I would be surprised if it ever became a legal issue and I would imagine every *real* pro-choice woman would fight any regulation.
Posted by: SBC at January 31, 2009 03:10 PM (1Q6g4)
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I completely agree that it's nobody's business as to how many children a person should be able to bring into this world, especially not the business of any government. BUT...
Prospective adoptive parents have to go through rigorous background checks, psychological, financial, etc., especially here in the United States, which is why so many end up going to China for their unwanted children. Why shouldn't there be some sort of the rigorous background checks for prospective in vitro fertilizations? Especially some serious looking into someone's psyche as to why after having experienced the thrill of parenthood 6 times over anyone needs to reproduce again. If it is so necessary to have even 1 more child, why not adopt? AND...
From what I have come to understand of this situation (just so happens this young woman lives in my hometown of Whittier) this mother of 14 children is not gainfully employed as she is a full-time college student, nor is there a father in the picture. I would assume (and I'm sure the media will dredge this up eventually) that the mother subsists on Welfare. God only knows how she can afford the in vitro process.
I was on Welfare years ago while trying to raise my 1 and only child after my divorce. I was 32 at the time (I had been had been gainfully employed and paid taxes since I was 16 years old), and I knew full well that I was at the government's mercy as to my personal life. I had to show bank statements, receipts from my utilities, receipts for childcare, and I was told that I could be investigated at any time, meaning they could come into my home, look in my cupboards, interview my neighbors, whatever.
So the media is doing to this woman what they should have done to our new president, and yes, in comparison, that is wrong on so many levels it boggles the mind. But once you put yourself in a position of being scrutinized whether for public office or for personal gain via benefit of living off of tax payer's dollars, all bets are off.
God bless her for not "selectively harvesting" 6 or 7 of these babies, but all in all, someone needs to take a hard look at the mindset of someone who needs to bear 6, 7, or 14 children when there are so many little one's who need homes.
Sorry to go on so long. Kind of a heated subject for me since speaking to several family members and friends who live in Whittier.
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I didn't comment when you first posted because my initial snarky thought was that she did it so she could become a TV star and make money that way b/c of her huge family. Appears that is, in fact, the case.
To me that makes a big difference - I don't care how many kids you have, 1 or 15 or 25, you shouldn't be doing it in hopes of getting endorsement deals. Kids shouldn't be bargaining chips for career moves.
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January 29, 2009
Pictures and stuff
Lots of new pics on the
Flickr page. Including Flea performing with the Caltech Jazz bands (and our own Kjerstin, too!) and lots of glorious jam/marmalade food pRon.
Like this:
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January 27, 2009
The News from LA LA LAnd...
Most of the time, the news just disgusts me and
makes me sad....
But every once in a while it also
gives me hope....
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They were interviewing the doctors today and asking how they could not have seen the 8th baby. What a stupid question. Eight little bodies all jumbled and you get on to the doctor for missing one? Jeez.
Posted by: Amy at January 27, 2009 06:16 PM (R8Y8+)
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And how amazing and wonderful that the babies are all alive, all breathing on their own (that's what I think I heard), and some of them are even taking milk?
I was amazed at how matter-of-fact the doctors were.
But - I hope the parents have lots of help. LOTS of help. Eight kids in diapers at once....wow.
Posted by: ricki at January 28, 2009 10:20 AM (O5SYw)
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8 Babies. Can you imagine........ I hope they have LOTS of help. LOTS.
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January 21, 2009
Kiss Me, I'm Irish
Scots-Irish. But I digress. Seems O'bama is too. In fact, according to the Corrigans, there's no one as Irish as Barack O'bama. I thought this was hilarious.
h/t the always awesome Helen who is getting pretty tired of hearing this in the UK
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I know it should seem un-PC, but it's actually ok and very funny. It's true, I'm kinda over it, but I laughed when I first heard it.
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Catchy little tune isn't it. I could easily see it being overdone just because of that. LOL.
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Like Cheese on Chinese Food
Republican rhetoric coming from The One, that is:
I'm not a big fan of Jon Stewart, and I often think he's just plain unfunny. But when he nails it, he nails it. This made me laugh. A lot.
Thanks to my afternoon Therapy Pool pals (Hi Stan!) for telling me to find the clip!
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I think between stuff like this and Biden's loose-cannon mouth (see: Chief Justice jokes, lame), there will be more quality comedy bits for Righties over the next 4 years.
Posted by: Ben at January 22, 2009 11:59 PM (U6sYX)
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"When Obama says these thing, I don´t think he really means it. And that gives me hope."
I think Obama really doesn´t mean it, but why would that give anyone but a selfsatisfied millionaire clown hope?
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Comfort and Canning
While most of the rest of you either watched or avoided the evening festivities surrounding the adulation of The One, I was busy in the kitchen.
Ooey-Gooey Mac N Cheese with bacon for dinner. I needed comfort. That's the very definition of comfort food. Plus, I had to use up the last of the fancy cheeses from our New Year's Eve party, which were remarkably still mold-free. I didn't want to press my luck further. This was real white sauce Mac N Cheese, too. A first for me.
After dinner it was back to the stove. I'm like a kid after Christmas with my new toy. Some of you may recall I got a small-batch canning cookbook for Christmas and I have been waiting for the stars to align to use it ( and by stars I mean time, inclination, and pectin).
Last night I broke open the book for the first time and made a batch of Blood Orange Red Wine Marmalade. Sadly, because our blood oranges are tiny, it made only a cup and a half. Tonight I broke rule #1 and made a double batch. Which made just over 4 cups. YAY!
Then I decided to try and use up some of the apricots in the freezer that we got from our tree in the spring. Batch #2 was a Winter Pear Apricot Jam. That was tasty cleanup! That recipe made 5 cups after skimming. Not bad.
I was ably assisted by my awesome husband who is quickly learning the difference between tongs and jar lifters, and who has always been a dab ahnd at cutting, measuring, and heavy, hot lifting of pots and plates.
Net: 5.5 jars (+ a bowl in the fridge of leftover) Blood Orange Marmalade (two days), 5 jars Pear/ Apricot Jam, and half a casserole dish of leftover MacCheese.
Yum.
Pictures as soon as I get a chance to download.
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I hope you saved the "foam" left over from skimming the jam. It makes the best breakfast jam.
Back when I helped my Mom make grape jam (from the concord grapes off my grandfather's farm fence row, about 8 quarts of juice after mashing, cooking, and straining through cheese cloth), we used to get nearly a pint of skimmed "foam" left over after canning the jam. That wasn't pressure cooker canned jam, but cooked jam that we later sealed with paraffin.
Canning is the ultimate Tom Sawyer Painting The Fence opportunity. We used to rope in the neighbor kids to help peel fruit during the canning season.
Posted by: The Thomas at January 21, 2009 09:21 PM (gT3Zf)
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What time is dinner tomorrow? I'm hungry already.
Posted by: Pasadena Closet Conservative at January 21, 2009 10:03 PM (Q3iRb)
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is there any better comfort food then mac n cheese? unless its kfc's mashed potatoes and gravy!
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January 20, 2009
I am not among the head-burying ostriches
Yes, I am going to watch the festivities tomorrow.
I am going to watch the O-bots cheer as their messiah of the new raises his right hand and takes the same oath George Washington did, using the bible of Abraham Lincoln.
Folks, like it or not this is our new President. Hail the peaceful transition of power so rare elsewhere, and common enough here that we take it for granted, don't ignore it like it will go away.
It's not going away for four more years. I for one can't hold my breath that long under the sand.
I am going to watch and rant and yell obscenities at the TV, at the idiots who don't remember the past as they bow down and worship The One. I am also going to cheer the new President and enjoy the presentations of the Inaugural Parade.
Because really folks, this is it. It's our history, like it or not, and we can be there for it, or we can pretend it didn't happen. I'm of the opinion that the revolution WILL be televised. And YouTubed. And I'd prefer to be able to talk about it firsthand anyway.
I don't blame those of you on media blackout. I get it. I feel you. But I just can't help but think it's another form of denial. And I can't be in denial for 4 more years.
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I'm one of those on blackout. And yes, I'm embracing my denial... but it won't last long, trust me.
Posted by: pam at January 20, 2009 09:34 AM (l6NIn)
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Your pictures are amazing!
I also fell in love with Morocco and now live in Marrakech. Please feel free to visit my website:
Morocco Property
Wishing you all the best
Salim
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I was with you - watched it all... Good grief. I think I said - "holy crap we're fucked!" 3 times... Yeesh...
Posted by: Richmond at January 21, 2009 05:59 PM (77JrH)
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I am all about fairness. I didn't watch Bush or any other president's inauguration. Plus, I have to work to pay my taxes!
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January 19, 2009
Keeping the Universe on the Straight and Narrow
Science, kiddoes. Science. Dig it.
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God sure has a funny sense of humor...
And I guess He's had enough of islamofascist terrorists killing in His name. Or at least in one of his names....
So He sent them a plague. The Black Plague.
ANTI-TERROR bosses last night hailed their latest ally in the war on terror... the BLACK DEATH.
At least 40 al-Qaeda fanatics died horribly after being struck down with the disease that devastated Europe in the Middle Ages...
...The killer bug, also known as the plague, swept through insurgents training at a forest camp in Algeria, North Africa. It came to light when security forces found a body by a roadside.
The victim was a terrorist in AQLIM (al-Qaeda in the Land of the Islamic Maghreb), the largest and most powerful al-Qaeda group outside the Middle East.
It trains Muslim fighters to kill British and US troops.
Now al-Qaeda chiefs fear the plague has been passed to other terror cells, or Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.
One security source said: "This is the deadliest weapon yet in the war against terror. Most of the terrorists do not have the basic medical supplies needed to treat the disease."
Bubonic Plague, also known as Black Plague, is spread by infected fleas. The plague is really a little rod-shaped bacteria (bacillus) known as
yersinia pestis. The fleas live on rats and other small animals (such as squirrels) and are happy to feast on human blood, passing on the plague at the same time.
The disease is rapidly fatal if untreated, causing the patients lymph nodes to swell into painful boils, known as "buboes", hence the name "bubonic plague". In modern times, exposure often occurs from animal control personnel handling dead rodents or accidental exposure on a camping or wilderness trip, and is usually treated successfully. Clearly this is not the case in the remote mountains of Algeria.
Too bad germ warfare is illegal. Sprinkle a few microbes in a few caves, and we wouldn't have to worry about these asshats anymore, dammit.
h/t George Moneo at Babalu
And for some real (gallows) humor check out the comment thread for this topic at Ace of Spades...
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As I understand it (from the discussion of this over at Ace's place), there are plenty of infested vermin this side of the Rockies in this country, but the disease is very easy to nip in the bud with antibiotics.
It is impossible not to have a moment of thinking, "well, you DID want to go back to the Middle Ages" in one's reaction to that story.
And we don't know how many AQ groups or Taliban cells they passed it along to before they bought the farm.
This might just be the beginning . . .
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exactly. Here in the States it's extremely treatable, despite being endemic.
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I haven't an ounce of sympathy for those animals. Looks like God finally threw in his two cents on the matter. May they all die like the vermin they are.
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January 16, 2009
January 11, 2009
You're probably wondering...
What's all this twitter talk about Ted Kennedy being under my house?
Well, unfortunately, I don't have him locked in the slab a la Jimmy Hoffa, but he is in fact gone. And really, that's preferable.
Because this is Ted Kennedy:
* Actor Portrayal, not an actual Kennedy
Dear Teddums is a skunk. A skunk who decided that the underside of the stairs to our den was a perfect place to curl up on those cold winter afternoons.
Seems he knocked out a flimsy (likely VERY OLD) grill that was covering the entrance to the crawlspace under the main part of our house and found himself a cozy, warm spot to sleep in sometime Wednesday morning.
We left him to his own devices until we could do something about keeping him out, yesterday. We flooded the crawlspace with light and turned on KROQ at top volume.
Teddy left the bar around closing time last night, as he had departed when DH got out of bed at 3:30 to check.
There's now a MUCH sturdier panel covering the crawlspace, which is actually secured to the wall itself, rather than just fit in place.
So why Ted Kennedy? Well, yesterday I lamented that I wished the damn skunk would just LEAVE ALREADY, and
Mike replied, "yeah, that's how I feel about Ted Kennedy too." And the name stuck.
Fare thee well, Ted. Just stay the hell away from my house!
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OMG, when I saw your tweets -and forgive me, please- but I thought you were under the influence! That's hilarious!
Goodbye, Ted. ROFL!!
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Maybe he went swimming ...
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Glad to know you finally got rid of your skunk. Now if only the people of Massachusetts would do the same with theirs!
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The skunk's nose isn't red enough and he's not bloated enough. Other than that, looks just like Teddy.
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January 10, 2009
Think Happy Thoughts....
... And sprinkle a little fairy dust....
Tomorrow, January 11, two amazing people are going to follow through with a resolution they made in August and run a marathon in honor of people who have been touched by cancer.
WB and
Bou are running the Walt Disney World marathon on Sunday as part of Team in Training, raising money for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. Together they've raised just shy of $5300 for cancer research.
I'll be thinking of you both and watching your split times from here, and wishing you fleet feet and much success!
Please take a minute to click over and wish each of them well! And maybe enough of us do it, then maybe just maybe, they can fly!
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I'll be watching and pulling for them both! My gosh, the grit and determination they've both shown has been an inspiration!!
Go, Bou & WB!!
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January 08, 2009
Whole LottaNot Much Shaking Going On
According to the USGS we had a
5.0 4.5
earthquake at 7:49 PM just south of San Bernadino. That's about 50 miles east of here.
Not surprisingly we barely felt it.
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Winter Recess
After our alloted
two weeks of winter, it's supposed to be 75 degrees tomorrow and sunny here in Los Angeles. Not to mention Santa Ana windy.
I think the SnowFolks of No Evil will be hanging around here a bit longer. If nothing else, to remind me how the rest of the world feels (ok, ok, the rest of the Northern Hemisphere. Sheesh, you people!)
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Please let me know if you're looking for a article author for your site. You have some really great posts and I feel I would be a good asset. If you ever want to take some of the load off, I'd love to write some material for your blog in exchange for a link back to mine. Please shoot me an e-mail if interested. Thanks!
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January 04, 2009
So I was totally going to tweet this
But then I realized 140 characters just won't cut it.
Today has been busy. I finally (after 10 days of snot bombs!) felt up to leaving the house. Which I suppose is a good thing since I have to actually go to work again in about 30 hours.
I was shocked that Costco was nearly EMPTY. I mean, there were PARKING PLACES in the lot. We didn't have to stand in line at the checkout, either. I mean, we walked right up and put our vast quantities of meat and some garbage bags and soda right on the belt. I'm still not sure what factors contributed to this. It was 11:30 AM on a Saturday, normally MADHOUSE time at our Costco. I'm guessing it was a combination of post-holiday malaise, hangovers, and too much holiday spending. Whatever the reason, I was loving it. Especially since Costco has been much more crowded in the last several months as people search for a deal. We even ordered our new eyeglasses at the optical department without more than a 5 minute wait for the dude. The longest wait (not surprisingly) was at the gas station.
The dearth of shoppers was also in evidence at TJs, which was our next stop. I was really surprised. This is sort of a wake up and realign with reality weekend in Pasadena, with the Rose Festivities ending and people about to send their children back to school. Again, I was glad to take advantage of the easy parking and short lines.
Later, we watched some of Serenity on SciFi and I realized I can never watch it again with the same appreciation I had before. For two reasons. 1) I still harbor a grudge against Joss for killing Wash. Seeing Penny's death in Dr. Horrible, and my non-reaction to it makes me even more pissed that he killed off Wash. and 2) Nathan Fillion is seriously Captain Hammer now and forever more.
Pathetically profound, no?
I have an awesome smelling pot roast (what little I can smell) going in the crockpot to use up some leftover Guinness and wine from Wednesday.
I had forgotten how much I love to cook. It has been so long since I felt up to really cooking. And yeah, I know the crockpot isn't really cooking, but considering that the best I've been up to for the last year or so, with notable exceptions, involves either the toaster or the microwave, it's a big step forward. I even have some notion of making a few batches of jam tomorrow. We'll see.
I have dozens of pictures to download off the camera and upload. Stay tuned for updates on that, too.
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I have always thought Costco and Sam's were totally overrated. Do you really get good deals on mass quantities o'stuff or do you just have to get out and about and shop less? LOL If it is the latter than I say it's worth it.
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Glad you're feeling better!
Here you can't get into stores, they're so crowded! I don't know the reason for the disparity... just a different region of the country?
Posted by: pam at January 04, 2009 06:22 AM (l6NIn)
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Mmmmm...can I have the leftovers from your crockpot? There's nothing like home cooking!
Posted by: Pasadena Closet Conservative at January 04, 2009 03:19 PM (UnMRd)
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"Nathan Fillion is seriously Captain Hammer now and forever more."
I know! I KNOW!!!!
(And ditto on killing Wash. I watched "Knight's Tale" with the Bear the other day and when I saw Wat (Alan Tudyk) all I could think was; He killed Wash!!!)
Posted by: Elizabeth at January 05, 2009 11:47 AM (DyeGv)
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glad you're feeling better
hugs to you, because i need them, too
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I was stunned when Wash died -- not only was he my favorite character and I identified with him, I genuinely feel it damaged the quality of the Serenity story. Destroying the married couple relationship, the complex dynamic between him, the captain, and his wife, plus how he played off of everyone else... I'm not doing my argument justice here, but for days after first seeing it, all I could think about was new reasons why Serenity became a lackluster story after Wash. Not to mention how it loses the funny. Can't forget about the funny.
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