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you chose CY - your Enneagram type is SIX.
"I am affectionate and skeptical"
Questioners are responsible, trustworthy, and value loyalty to family,
friends, groups, and causes. Their personalities range broadly from reserved
and timid to outspoken and confrontative.
How to Get Along with Me
- Be direct and clear.
- Listen to me carefully.
- Don't judge me for my anxiety.
- Work things through with me.
- Reassure me that everything is OK between us.
- Laugh and make jokes with me.
- Gently push me toward new experiences.
- Try not to overreact to my overreacting.
What I Like About Being a Six
- being committed and faithful to family and friends
- being responsible and hardworking
- being compassionate toward others
- having intellect and wit
- being a nonconformist
- confronting danger bravely
- being direct and assertive
What's Hard About Being a Six
- the constant push and pull involved in trying to make up my mind
- procrastinating because of fear of failure; having little confidence
in myself
- fearing being abandoned or taken advantage of
- exhausting myself by worrying and scanning for danger
- wishing I had a rule book at work so I could do everything right
- being too critical of myself when I haven't lived up to my expectations
Sixes as Children Often
- are friendly, likable, and dependable, and/or sarcastic, bossy, and
stubborn
- are anxious and hypervigilant; anticipate danger
- form a team of "us against them" with a best friend or parent
- look to groups or authorities to protect them and/or question authority
and rebel
- are neglected or abused, come from unpredictable or alcoholic families,
and/or take on the fearfulness of an overly anxious parent
Sixes as Parents
- are often loving, nurturing, and have a strong sense of duty
- are sometimes reluctant to give their children independence
- worry more than most that their children will get hurt
- sometimes have trouble saying no and setting boundaries
Renee Baron & Elizabeth Wagele
The Enneagram Made Easy
Discover the 9 Types of People
HarperSanFrancisco, 1994, 161 pages
You are not completely happy with the result?
You chose CY
Would you rather have chosen:
AY (EIGHT)
BY (FOUR)
CX (TWO)
CZ (ONE)
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I've actually studied the enneagram quite a bit. I think it has a great deal of merit; however, it requires a more in-depth look, if you are really interested, than just a quiz.
It's an extremely useful tool in getting along with others because it gives me some insight as to the motivations of those around me.
; )
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March 29, 2006
90K!
Visitor #90,000 arrived at 2:28:22 pm this afternoon from Shepeherdstown, WV on an IP belonging to Verizon Internet Services.
He/She ended up here from a google search: Do Veterans Salute?
Hope you found what you were looking for.
WooHoo!
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Congratulations! WhooHoo!
Posted by: Richmond at March 29, 2006 06:26 PM (e8QFP)
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Congratulations!!
Posted by: Richmond at March 31, 2006 03:50 PM (e8QFP)
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Hoo boy, I need to keep better track of my previous comments. Huh? ::blushes::
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Ha Ha, Fooled You!
Your Quirk Factor: 52%
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You're a pretty quirky person, but you're just normal enough to hide it.
Congratulations - you've fooled other people into thinking you're just like them!
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from
SF, 68% quirky
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I took that quiz. The dang thing looked at me funny and walked away. Fast.
I wonder what that means.
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March 28, 2006
Marriage-- For Whites Only?
Much has been made of the
Joy Jones article in yesterday's Washington Post regarding the attitudes of young blacks towards marriage.
The best (bar none) commentary on this article I have seen is
this piece by LaShawn Barber. I'm not always in agreement with LaShawn, but in this case she hits the nail squarely on the head. She says, in part:
"In my admittedly biased, unscientific observations, it appears that black boys are not being socialized to marry and take care of families, and black girls are not being socialized to accept nothing less than an honorable man who will marry and care for them. Generally speaking, boys are not being groomed to be husbands and breadwinners, and girls are not being groomed to keep their legs closed until marriage.
Why are these things so, and why is “black marriage†in such a dismal state? I believe the reasons boil down to two factions: fatherless homes and the weakening of the social stigma against illegitimacy."
There's a lot more, so
do go
read the rest. I'll wait here, I promise.
As an educator in a university that was founded specifically to train minority students in the sciences, these attitudes in the Black community are critical to what I do everyday. It's hard to combat the idea that a college education and a stable family aren't things that are for whites only. It's hard to get a kid whose brother is in jail to believe that he or she can get into med school. The kids (anecdotally) who end up making the decision to commit to college and be successful are more likely to be the ones that have a stronger base at home, either Mom and Dad, or parent and step-parent.
Furthermore, I find it ironic that this attitude reflects a self-imposed social segregation. Many have written, and eloquently, about the re-segregation of the Black community, from the suburbs back to the urban ghettoes, and the embracing of ghetto culture as something unimpeachably "
Ours". In this mentality, wealth, education, and social well-being are disregarded as anathema to one's ethnic identity. All under the guise of "
keeping it real".
Since when is caring for your children, earning enough money to provide for them properly, and encouraging them to get an education NOT "real". Or is "real" just another word for "victim"?
Which brings me to my own question about this article. I get the sense that this attitude is a reflection of the broader feeling that Black=Victim (and, as a corollary, White=Abuser). Why is it so important for the Black community to be the victim? Is that the only identity that they can cling to? Let's look at the evidence (using generalities here): Black communities come together in poor urban centers, they shun education and professional attitudes (see "
uncle toms" and "oreos", the NBA Dress Code debacle, or Chris Rock's "Master's" skit), and now apparently devalue marriage and co-parenting.
Maybe the reason that marriage "isn't" for Blacks is that anything that "builds up" a family is incompatible with the community mentality.
I'm sure that I'm going to get a lot of sh*t from Black folks on this. Yes, I am a white girl talking about Black culture. But I
work in this community. I
teach in this community. And I see how the choices that people make impact their children's lives and choices. The real issue shouldn't be who's asking the question, but rather how do we go about answering the problems.
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You know what, white girl, it doesn't matter that you work and teach in the community. You aren't the community and you have no license to discourse about something that your priveleged white background has protected you from all of your life.
First of all, black people and white people have never been on a level playing field and when economics are the basis for male self worth as out society dictates, black men are not going to feel confident stepping up and marrying the way white men do. And when you live in a society that glorifies white women as a symbol of beauty, where images of beautiful, smart, strong black women such as myself are absent from every form of media, black children, particularly black girls will not develop the same level of self esteem or acceptance that white women have, undeservedly at that.
I am a strong, educated, upper middle class black woman. I have a degree from Carnegie Mellon University. I work for one of the best educational non-profit programs in the country, I have at least $45K in savings, I have taught at the best independent schools in this country and I was raised in a two parent household and guess what? I am a single parent.
I was taught to keep my legs closed and to only be sexually intimate with someone I loved, but when I was preyed upon by white men in college who thought I was "exotic", no one prepared me for that experience. And I dare you to look at abortion rates among white women. You holier than thou white women act as though you don't have sex outside of the marriage. The fact of the matter is that you don't value children the way the black women do, but of course, no one is talking about that, are they?
The father of my child is a good man who is trying to make it in this f----ed up society that doesn't value him as both a musician and a black man. You will never live our lives, you will never walk in our shoes and until you examine the undeserved privilege that you have lived all of your damn life, I suggest you shut the hell up and get the hell out of the community you are in because you obviously are a fake, liberal white women with absolutely no respect or regard for the beauty and quality of the people that you are serving.
Posted by: Tara Phillips at March 28, 2006 08:25 PM (vx3lt)
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A fake liberal white woman? ME????? Honey, you obviously didn't take the time to look around, did you?
Ha. And BTW, poor is poor. I had to pull myself up from nowhere too.
Until people LIKE YOU stop making excuses for your community, things won't change.
And so what if I'm white? When you're too close to the problem, sometimes you lose sight of what's really going on.
Posted by: caltechgirl at March 28, 2006 09:12 PM (jOkK0)
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When I was in the lower years in school, long time ago now, I took a taxi home each day (Ah, government subsidies...). One of the passangers had to be the victim. He just knew no other roll to play. The first words I heard him say were "Dont say Merc, it annoys me." (He had a learning disability of some type). There followed much Mercing over the next few days and much scraming from him, until the passangers became bored. Then he would just remind he what he doesn't like or hint, apparently randomly, "Dont pull my tie."
The victim is a clear role. Victims know what is expected of them. They have a clear 'enemy' to dislike and to blame for all their problems. They can appeal for the sympathy of others.
Just look at the Evangelical christians - how many of those believe there is some form of vast secular conspiracy, probably headed by the ACLU, to outlaw all christian worship?
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This is the best sentence of the entire comment:
"The father of my child is a good man who is trying to make it in this f----ed up society that doesn't value him as both a musician and a black man."
First, white musicians -- all of them -- are valued by society, they're all millionaires; they never sleep in the backs of their vans parked in the lot behind the dive that booked their latest gig. Second, this is an old, circular argument. It goes like this: White people oppress black people. Because they are the victims of racism, black people may talk about racism in our society. White people, even though they allegedly perpetrate that very racism, may not discuss the racism because they are not the victims.
But who's being racist?
You know what, white girl, it doesn't matter that you work and teach in the community. You aren't the community and you have no license to discourse about something that your priveleged white background has protected you from all of your life.
First of all, black people and white people have never been on a level playing field and when economics are the basis for male self worth as out society dictates, black men are not going to feel confident stepping up and marrying the way white men do. And when you live in a society that glorifies white women as a symbol of beauty, where images of beautiful, smart, strong black women such as myself are absent from every form of media, black children, particularly black girls will not develop the same level of self esteem or
acceptance that white women have, undeservedly at that.
Posted by: Cardinal Martini at March 28, 2006 11:57 PM (CC73i)
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I love a good argument!
Okay- first off- NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING matters except family. And when I say family, I mean a close-knit family, one where the parents teach the children about being a good person, love, having goals, how to achieve those goals, etc.
It doesn't matter if you are black, white, purple or green.
In a home where family members extoll the degradation of ANY race is not a good home. I don't care if that be a comment about 'honky's,' 'nigger's,' 'wetbacks,' or any other slur in the form of a joke- or if it is a complaint about how one race is looked 'down upon' by another. If words or statements of that nature are what the children hear growing up- what do you think that child will grow up learning?
No- this world is not fair. It has never been and it will never be. Accept that. Teach your child (and any child you have contact with) how to accept the world AND the different people in it- teach them they don't have to like what other people like because everyone is different- teach them that there are assholes in the world, but they don't have to be one, and to understand that anyone that makes demeaning statements about any race is ignorant. But that they [the child] shouldn't hold it against someone because in doing so, they will taint themself with the poison of the ignorant.
Playing the victim is easier than rising above it. Your life depends on the choices YOU make. An ignorant racist is an obstacle everyone must overcome, not just the race being degraded.
ANYONE can be racist. Making a remark about someone because they are white/black/blue IS BEING RACIST. If someone lives and works in a community, they are PART of that community- their skin color doesn't matter.
Calling attention to your race, statements degrading another race, getting angry at someone not for what they said, but because they said it and they aren't the same race as you....it's all racism. And everyone loses.
"People don't know no better. When they know better, they do better."
Maya Angelou
Posted by: Rave at March 29, 2006 08:39 AM (Fir0Z)
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"marriage is for white people"? Is that possibly code for marriage is for successful people? how would a kid know what is success and what attains to successful people? he's a kid! he has no psychic background, among other things. my golly! how things spiraled upward from a remark by a kid! from where I am, I have seen an awful lot of kids from miserable backgrounds (insufficient food, clothing, nurturing, etc.) make it good and make it big no matter what their ethnicity. the human spirit blooms perenially evergreen.
Posted by: mageen at March 30, 2006 01:05 PM (wZLWV)
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As a white girl who was born in the projects and no family to really speak of and lots of other myriad strikes against me, I hate the whole divide and war and whatever it's called. I was recently in upper management in a company where I supervised an African-American girl who refused to apply herself and cry "pity me" when handed an assignment.
The CEO (also her aunt and who hired her based not on ability but on bloodline and potential) used to bitch at me to be more lenient with her because she didn't grow up "with the opportunities (I) had."
Um, the girl? Wore Jones New York suits every day and had a very well-off mother who bailed her out all the time. And she went to way better schools than me. It was just clear which one of us had maximized our education and applied ourselves. And that's not a racial thing -- I'd be disappointed in anybody who didn't maximize whatever opportunities they either earned or were handed.
I have no business and no knowledge of the marriage situation and how people are conditioned. But as a supervisor in a unique situation, I know I struggled a lot with how much I was able to expect from my employee and how much of a headache I would get in response to delegating work she clearly wasn't interested in doing to help the department while cultivating/honing a skill set for herself.
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March 27, 2006
Blogburst for Guillermo Fariñas Hernandez
Senor Fariñas has rejected food and water for 57 days to protest the lack of freely available, uncensored internet access to the people of Cuba.
57 days. The latest updates indicate that he will die soon.
Join the Blogburst. Spread the word. Read More. Speak Out. Sign the Petition.
You can. You're reading this now, after all.
(technorati tag Guillermo Fariñas, Internet, )
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Gracias, mi amiga, por estar a nuestro lado.
Posted by: Amanda at March 27, 2006 07:29 PM (p1Z0s)
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My heartfelt thanks for your support!
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March 24, 2006
Two things
I haven't spoken about this yet, but my own thoughts and prayers are with
Abdul Rahman, the Christian scheduled to be executed in Afghanistan simply because he is not a Muslim. Efforts from the United States and others may keep this man from from being killed, but that isn't yet certain.
Also (and more this weekend)
Guillermo Farinas is past day 50 of a hunger strike protesting the lack of something you're using right now (internet access) for Cubans under the regime of fidel castro
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Actually, he's going to be put to death not because he's a Christian, but because he converted from Islam. Apostasy.
I hear Karzai has worked a deal to declare him mentally incompetent, and released. Still. We installed that?? It's just like the Taliban, only women can show their ankles at the beheadings.
Posted by: Velociman at March 24, 2006 04:41 PM (P2gtb)
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Islam simply is not compatable with freedom of religion, freedom of speech, nor most of the other freedoms that we in the USA enjoy. Keep in mind that a democratic government is rule by the majority and we are trying to establish a democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan? Never happen until all of the mullahs are rounded up and sent to Allah to enjoy their 72 virgin goats.
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Help a Sister Out
Dana of
The Origin of Soul has been fighting her own personal war with Dell since
THEY ruined her still-under-warranty computer.
She's tried just about everything to get this resolved. Methinks she needs a lawyer to call them up and threaten.
Anybody got some advice for her?
Drop by here. (Come on you BFLers. I know we have a ton of lawyers, somebody should be able to give her some good advice!)
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Sounds like there's not a problem with the computer; just an incomplete use of a recovery CD and a the result of unclueful support meeting admittedly anticlueful owner.
I went over there looking for a horror story in which the computer was physically bad and not being replaced, but I see a pretty ordinary scenario in which the driver knowing about things like oil changes and tire air pressure would help prevent disappointment with the mechanic.
Posted by: Jay at March 25, 2006 02:44 AM (/05va)
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That said, if I were her I would be chasing Dell for one thing: Office. If they put some kind of a trial version on there and it's not on the recovery or other CD, and that was not clear, they should send her a copy on the double. And a clear-speaking tech in the US should help her get the drivers reinstalled so stuff like her sound works.
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Also, I saw no indication of what the original problem was for which she was talking to Dell support, except that it involved checking to see whether her CD drive would read a CD, in which she learned about "autorun." Obviously whether that is solved would have some bearing on her concerns, but it sounds like she's mainly mad about the collateral damage.
Posted by: Jay at March 25, 2006 04:58 AM (/05va)
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There's more to it than that, but the story takes too damn long to tell.
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March 23, 2006
More Amusement
You Are Cindy Brady |
 Warm hearted and sweet, you have a childlike innocence that lets you see the good in everyone.
But you're also a bit of a baby. You stick your nose where it doesn't belong... and cry when you get caught! |
From big sis
Jan Brady
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How do you salute?
Matty O'BlackFive and
Sgt. Hook (and others) weigh in on this proposal from Maj. Gen. Vernon Lewis (ret.):
I gathered some 16 of my old military friends who agreed to sponsor a movement for Veterans to salute rather than place their hands over their heart when honoring the flag, fallen comrades, and/or the country. I have some from each of the four principal services. Three of them were former Vice Chiefs or Assistant Commandants of their services, and several were former CINCÂ’s.
We refer to saluting when we do the pledge to the flag, when the National Colors pass or are presented, when the National Anthem or honors are played, or when taps are played and firing squads or guns render honors.
At first glance, it seems ludicrous, but the discussion has gotten pretty interesting. I myself am not sure where I stand. Traditionally, the salute is reserved for uniformed soldiers, but as a mark of respect from the duty-bound, a salute seems appropriate from a veteran who has taken an oath for life.
And I admit, I would love to see this:
Just imagine thousands of fans salutiing at NFL, MBA, and Major League Baseball games when the National Anthem is plalyed. It will telegraph a message to all others of how many have served this country in the Armed Forces—it will be a positive and patroitic message.
Wouldn't you?
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I like the idea. I've been to many ballgames where the fans stand, but continue to eat, drink, and talk during the National Anthem. If the etiquette changes to require the salute from all vets, then I forsee much more respect for the flag and anthem. That would be a very cool sight to behold.
Posted by: jen at March 23, 2006 01:41 PM (UMVKj)
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I catch myself saluting sometimes..old habits are hard to break
Posted by: GUYK at March 23, 2006 02:39 PM (iAhlK)
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I disagree with much of this. It may sound like an academic point, but veterans are civilians, and this would appear to symbolically blur the line between the spheres of civil and military authority, which is highly inappropriate. The only unarmed, uncovered person in civilian dress who ever gives a military salute is the President--as Commander-in-Chief--and then only when returning a salute from uniformed personnel. Veterans should salute in accordance with the rules of the service from which they're retired, which means either a uniform or a uniform and cover is required before rendering a military salute, and then only when under arms.
I also must say that I find the comment in there from USMC Steve, "[w]e are different than the civilian pukes, and we are better" to be fundamentally anathema to the founding principles of this country. The Framers of the US Constitution were deeply distrustful of standing militaries, and of military authority. This is an attitude of long standing in the English-speaking world, and its legacy is the absolute subordination of military to civil authority. This level of contempt for "civilian pukes" makes one an heir not to those who wrote the constitution they swore to uphold, but to Oliver Cromwell, whose military dictatorship was one of the many historical lessons that constitution was drafted to avoid.
Posted by: Dave J at March 23, 2006 09:07 PM (5WofA)
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Hey, why don't we just go back to the original salute. You know, the one that Hiltler adopted for the Nazis.
The origins of the pledge of allegiance will shock you as well!!
Don't believe me, look here! http://rexcurry.net/
Posted by: rex at March 25, 2006 09:22 AM (FrnwP)
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I would personally *love* to see that...
Posted by: Richmond at March 25, 2006 11:08 AM (e8QFP)
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I have a problem with some of this, first of all, I am a civilian. But I have got to tell you guys and gals, that I am probably one of the most patriotic civilians out there. It brings me to tears when I hear of a fellow American dying in Iraq or Afghanistan. I am constantly donating, watching everything I can about service in the middle east, talking with friends who are serving, sending packages, etc. etc. But when Im at home watching a ball game, or when Im watching a documentary about Iraq, and a flag appears, blowing in the sandy wind, I cant help but to salute. I think to myself, there are so many men who have given their life for me, and the men around them, that it is the least I can do. I dont know if it is nescessarily ceremonialy correct, but I tell you what, it is the only thing that feels suffice in that moment. When tears are running down my face, and feelings of such overwhelming grattitude and respect come over me, it is almost as if saluting comes naturally. However, I am a civilian, and I do question it. But I feel like to me its such a more significant show of my solidarity with our men and women of the armed forces. I know that in "general" a salute is a show of solidarity and respect to a fellow service man or a person of higher rank,however it means so much more than that as well.Tell me what yall think. God Bless all of our service men who have been KIA. We will never forget you guys. The sacrifices made by our men and women are un-repayable. We owe each and every one of them a huge debt of grattitude for the freedom's and priviledges which they shed their blood for. We love you guys.
Thanks
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How Many Christians Does It Take to Change a Light Bulb?
Charismatic: Only 1 - Hands are already in the air.
Pentecostal: 10 - One to change the bulb, and nine to pray against the spirit of darkness.
Presbyterians: None - Lights will go on and off at predestined times.
Roman Catholic: None - Candles only. (Of guaranteed origin of course.)
Baptists: At least 15 - One to change the light bulb, and three committees to approve the change and decide who brings the potato salad and fried chicken.
Episcopalians: 3 - One to call the electrician, one to mix the drinks, andone to talk about how much better the old one was.
Mormons: 5 - One man to change the bulb, and four wives to tell him how to do it.
Unitarians: We choose not to make a statement either in favor of or against the need for a light bulb. However, if in your own journey you have found that light bulbs work for you, you are invited to write a poem or compose a modern dance about your light bulb for the next Sunday service, in which we will explore a number of light bulb traditions, including incandescent, fluorescent, 3-way, long-life and tinted, all of which are equally valid paths to luminescence.
Methodists: Undetermined - Whether your light is bright, dull, or completely out, you are loved. You can be a light bulb, turnip bulb, or tulip bulb. Bring a bulb of your choice to the Sunday lighting service and a covered dish to pass.
Nazarene: 6 - One woman to replace the bulb while five men review churchlighting policy.
Lutherans: None - Lutherans don't believe in change.
Amish: What's a light bulb?
I had to add this one from my own experience:
Orthodox: None. They would do it the opposite way from the Catholics, but they're too cheap to replace the bulbs when they burn out.
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Posted by: IB Bill at March 23, 2006 01:33 PM (6WcMd)
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Don't forget non-denominational Evangelical: 11 - One to invite their friend with the burnt out bulb to church, Seven to play in the worhsip band, one to give a testimonial on how dark his own socket once was, one to preach on coming out of the darkness and in to the light, and one volunteer counselor to change it for them after they come forward.
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Atheist: "Light bulb? I don't see any light bulb. Why are you getting all in a tizzy about this mythical light bulb?"
Posted by: McGehee at March 24, 2006 12:04 PM (lAOTn)
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Agnostic: Maybe the switch is just off....
Posted by: Brian B at March 24, 2006 01:32 PM (rGfpg)
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Anglican: I am not qualified to perform the light-bringing ritual. I will have to consult my superior.
Casual-christian: Why does the bulb require replacement?
Fundy: Having searched the bible for any reference to light bulbs, including any phrases in greek or aramaic which may have been translated into 'light bulb', the conclusion has been reached that these objects do not exist.
Posted by: Suricou Raven at March 25, 2006 01:33 PM (45BLI)
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LOL... thinking of the Unitarian services I've attended as a guest & nodding....
Posted by: Marie at March 26, 2006 05:01 PM (ZNESr)
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The Return of Chef
Matt and Trey RAWK.
In last night's SP, they
- blasted Scientology
- Killed Chef off
- Brought Chef back in a way that doesn't need Isaac Hayes' voice.....
Evil Servants of the Dark Lord Xenu indeed....
The Episode is here (download and BitTorrent).
The BBC review is here.
Spoilers below the jump....
more...
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Is it me, or was that ACTUALLY the voice of James Earl Jones at the end? If so, talk about a step up from Isaac Hayes.
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March 22, 2006
Maywood: A Haven for Illegals?
The South LA area city of Maywood is an
interesting anomaly. Over 95% Hispanic, the city has openly vowed to make itself a "sanctuary city" for illegal immigrants.
First, the city eliminated the Police Department's traffic division after complaints that officers unfairly targeted illegal immigrants. Then it made it much more difficult for police to tow cars whose owners didn't have driver's licenses, a practice that affected mostly undocumented people who could not obtain licenses.
In January, the City Council passed a resolution opposing a proposed federal law that would criminalize illegal immigration and make local police departments enforce immigration law. Now, some in the community are pushing to rename one of the city's elementary schools after former Mexican President Benito Juarez and debating measures to improve the lives of illegal immigrants.
Maywood leaders say they hope their actions will serve as a counterpoint to other cities, such as Costa Mesa in Orange County, that have moved forward with crackdowns on illegal immigrants and groups like the Minutemen border patrols.
"You just couldn't keep quiet. I think we needed to amplify the debate by saying that no human being is illegal," said Councilman Felipe Aguirre, 53. "These people are here … making your clothes, shining your shoes and taking care of your kids. And now you want to develop this hypocritical policy?"
Interestingly, this also caused a deep rift in the Hispanic community itself.
The city was developed in the 1920s and '30s as a working-class bedroom community for factory workers of L.A.'s industrial belt. But like the neighboring cities of Bell Gardens and Huntington Park, Maywood saw an influx of immigration as the area's factories began to close in the 1970s.
The campaign for immigrant rights has its roots in a long-brewing political divide between newer immigrants and older immigrants, who consider themselves more "Americanized," said Ceballos, who came to the United States as an illegal immigrant from Jalisco, Mexico, 37 years ago and is a longtime Maywood political observer.
"Many people who came here a long time ago feel that they had to sacrifice a lot more and do with a lot less than people who come to the country now," Ceballos said.
This discord was evident at a recent City Council meeting. On one side sat a group of newer immigrants who addressed the council in Spanish. On the other side sat a few of the city's longtime Anglo residents and Latinos who spoke in English.
At one point, when Anglo resident Kathleen Larsen spoke out angrily against naming an elementary school after Juarez, the audience members sitting behind her applauded. Most of them were Latino, and many were immigrants.
Interesting how Us vs Them has a different meaning in different communities.
All that aside, Maywood authorities are being short-sighted. Cutting their traffic division and refusing to impound cars of unlicensed drivers are dangerous to all citizens, not just a help to illegals and their families. Furthermore, supporting illegal immigrants is a drain on all the surrounding communities. I wouldn't be surprised if they find themselves an a heap of trouble if this becomes their official policy....
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Brilliant. Just farookin brilliant. What will they come up with next?
Posted by: oddybobo at March 22, 2006 04:45 PM (6Gm0j)
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Well, first off, the LA County Sheriff has an obligation to step in and perform the municipal law-enforcment functions that Maywood is deliberating ignoring.
And second, Congress should ensure that no federal funds of any kind go to municipalities that actively undermine the immigration laws. Maywood is a poor city, but wants to have its cake and eat it too. Let's see how long it can manage to do that--or even wants to do that-- when it's TRULY on its own.
Finally, as a last resort, I would argue that the state legislature has plenary authority to void a city's charter and dissolve the city. The state constitution and statutes may not say so (California's don't), but unlike the feds, a state does not need to find express authority to act upon: it can do anything it's not forbidden from doing. The only legal argument against this that I can say is that doing so would impair the obligations of contract (here, treating the charter as a contract between the state and the electors of the city) in violation the federal Contracts Clause (and its state analog, which I see is Article I, Section 9 of the California Constitution).
Posted by: Dave J at March 22, 2006 09:06 PM (5WofA)
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I'll research this a bit more tomorrow, but while the state of California can dissolve the city of Maywood ( or any other charter city) with relative ease, as a practical mater, it will not happen at this point. THere are better odds of Vernon being dissolved (and then subsequently annexed by the City of LA) than this happening.
For the record though, giving Lee Baca any more power and policing area is a bad thing. While not the area to go into tonight, he's had many questionable relationships in the past (read: writing the President to pardon drug dealers, reported on in the LA Times a few years ago), and is only seeking to increase his political empire. His threat each election to release criminals from jails because he does not have enough money to run the jails, unless the people vote him a 1/2 percent sales tax is pure power grab.
One issue I have noticed (primarily split among new immigrants and born in the US people, but not entirely so) is that new immigrants (legal or not) deserve representation and respect from existing governmental organizations. I have heard it go so far as to be illegal aliens should be able to vote for city council and school board positions. A scary thought, but one that is on the minds of many people in the South East area of LA County.
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Update: The general feeling among the cops I've spoken to, is that the tow companies in Maywood did not pay off the right people in town, so by eliminating parking citations and such, the income of the tow companies will be reduced as a punishment.
No real confirmation on my part, but an interesting point of view.
Posted by: Bill at March 23, 2006 03:13 PM (bpbQx)
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Well, that's the last straw. I'm never going to Mayber -- er, Maywood again!
Posted by: Cardinal Martini at March 23, 2006 04:47 PM (CC73i)
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Bill, yes, I admit I was making some academic legal points--and indulging in some wishful thinking--that go well beyond the political realities on the ground, with which I'm fairly familiar (having worked in the LA DA's office, even if only as a summer clerk).
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Ok, something interesting to post about
Prof. Reynolds
laments a fellow law professor who is getting grief for banning laptops from his class.
He points out that several of his colleagues are fed up with them too, mostly because they encourage goofing off and can be a major disruption if the students don't have the volume off.
Not to mention that a million keys clicking is HIGHLY disconcerting when you're trying to talk.
Our school has a unique solution to this problem. We have two classrooms equipped with computer consoles for each student and
this technology.
SMART Board also incorporates a functionality that allows the user at the front of the classroom to LOCK OUT the other consoles, forcing the students to follow along with the lecturer, although it allows them to use the software to make notes, which can be emailed to the user or printed at the end of the class.
We love our SMART Boards, and we have them in every classroom.
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I can't resist:
Smart idea!
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Wow that's a really cool idea. Although sometimes it pays to sit near someone with a laptop. I know I only managed to stay awake during one of my programming classes because I would watch the guy, who sat in front of me, play halo.
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I tried handwriting notes for about two weeks in law school (I had done it in undergrad, not that it's comparable) and said forget it. There's so much info in first year class, particularly, that you need to take notes the fastest way possible. Not only that, but it allowed me to actually look back at my notes at the end of the semester to figure stuff out (something that I never really had to do in undergrad or HS) - there were days when I had three or four pages of typed notes per class, there is no way that those would have been anywhere near legible.
Yeah, we would IM each other and surf the web during the dryer moments of class, but we also used the net to answer questions that the prof didn't necessarily have the answer for.
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Nothing to see here, Move along!
More tomorrow, I hope. Work is catching up with me....
Just a reminder, the new season of South Park starts tonight!
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March 21, 2006
For Joe
The
Top 10 Best Alarm Clocks, guaranteed to
WAKE YOUR ASS UP!!!
(our roommate senior year, the aforementioned Joe, was and is a notoriously heavy sleeper. Even kicking him didn't work at times....)
h/t McGehee
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I want to corner the market on replacement pins for the hand-grenade alarm (which is a product that's clearly targeted at the parents-of-teens market).
Posted by: Bob at March 22, 2006 10:45 AM (yMzz+)
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I thought he HATED the little guy....
Seems as if the Supremes are about to side
8-1 with the bad guys:
The Supreme Court justices, with the exception of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, sounded Monday as if they were likely to bar prosecutors from using in court the words of alleged crime victims who speak to authorities but later refuse to testify. Such a ruling would greatly strengthen the right of defendants to be confronted with the witnesses against them, in the Constitution's words. However, it would be a major setback for victims of domestic violence and sexual assault, who often are afraid to testify against their abusers.
And no, that "1"
isn't John Roberts, it's
Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
As James Joyner says,
"The bottom line, though, is that the accused's rights to confront his accuser in a manner that allows the jury to judge the demeanor of said accuser is paramount. A 911 call might be quite compelling but lacks a visual component. For all the jury knows, it could be staged by a spiteful ex-lover. It is harder to lie in open court than via telephone.
The irony here is that it is the liberal Justice (and blogger) taking the side of the accuser while the conservative Justice... [is] taking up for the rights of the accused."
What do you think?
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The constitution does say they have the right to face their accuser. I think they actually upheld the Constitution this time.
Posted by: Contagion at March 21, 2006 04:57 PM (e8b4J)
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Contagion, they haven't done anything yet. David Savage at the LA Times is just specualting based on the oral arguments. But I'm very much inclined to side with the apparent majority here: the Sixth Amendment guarantees a defendant's right to confront their accuser. In practice, that means live testimony in open court, subject to cross-examination.
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