Well, it's over for me anyway. As of 7:15 this morning.
Our polling place is at a little church a block or so away, and we thought the lines would be small this morning, so we decided to chance it.
Arriving at just before 6:45, this is what we found:
The mother and daughter directly in front of us (blue and black jacket, respectively) were perusing the Democrat Voter Guide, which irked the crap out of my husband. He kept muttering "think for yourself!" and "know what you're voting for" under his breath...
According to the numbers on our ballot stubs we were #29 and #30 to vote at our precinct. It took about 30 minutes to get to the door, where the check in was, and to get through the ballot. Then I had to wait because the lady in front of me (in the blue jacket, above) voted twice on Prop 10, so she had to decide whether to re-vote a new ballot, or just ask the computer to accept her ballot and NOT count her Prop 10 votes (she decided for the latter).... In any case, we were both done by 7:20, and despite the worst morning traffic I've ever seen in The 'Dena (two Sigalerts on the 210 so everyone was on the streets!), I got hubby to school on time and I am back home prepping for my lecture this afternoon. Or at least I will be as soon as I finish this post and get my bagel out of the toaster.
Go vote. It doesn't matter who or what you vote for, as long as you vote your conscience. I did.
Dear African American "Community Leaders",
You are all a bunch of fucking hypocrites. That's right. I said hypocrites. I call BS on you and, as they say in South Park, I declare shenanigans!
Some idiot with bad taste and a worse sense of humor hangs a Sarah Palin doll from a noose and you don't respond? Dare I even suggest that you think it's funny because she's running against your Obamessiah?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but about 10 years ago you all were so mad about a BEAR in a noose that you forced USC to abandon a decades old student tradition of hanging bruins (the UCLA mascot) from tiny nooses. LITTLE TINY TEDDY BEARS. In UCLA shirts. You said it was racist. You said that it was reminiscent of the lynching of black men by the KKK. You said you were offended. So we stopped hanging TEDDY BEARS.
I get your point, though. Hanging people is not a joke. It's MURDER. And that's never funny.
And now, these people have NOT A BEAR, but a life-size mannequin of a woman, dressed as Sarah Palin, hanging from a noose in their yard and you say not one word. Why?
I'll bet my house that if it was Barry Obama swinging from the yardarm you'd have had 3 press conferences already, and called the police out to arrest these homeowners for a hate crime. Perhaps for racial intimidation.
And yet you say nothing about this. I'm offended by it, and I'm clearly not black. Not as a conservative, or because I am a woman, but because I think it's disgusting. Hanging a bear, or a skeleton, or something clearly not representing a particular person is one thing, demonstrating by your Halloween display that you wish someone a painful death is quite another.
And I still want to hear your outrage. If you all could muster that kind of vitriol for a few teddy bears, I bet you can come out and preach it about this Sarah Palin mannequin.
I'll be sure to be there to support you when you do.
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Of course they won't say anything. Just like that display someone had of McCain doing the KKK thing chasing BO. They are all hypocrites.
BTW, I love it when you're so mad you curse.
Posted by: Stacy at October 27, 2008 08:16 AM (92p8H)
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I can't believe the outrageous crap these idiots have been pulling!
I'll be sooo glad when this election is over... except when I said that to my husband this morning he said: "even when it's over it won't be over".
Spoilsport.
Posted by: pam at October 27, 2008 08:18 AM (l6NIn)
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Just down the road from me a guy had a ghost hanging from a tree with Obama printed on it; everyone was up in arms, wanting to burn the racist's house, etc etc...good gawd people, get a grip! I agree, if this had been a black, male mannequin there would have been hell to pay, I bet!
Posted by: Michele at October 27, 2008 08:27 AM (Jplxy)
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This is so disgusting that I am sick to my stomach. It's absolute BS to say its ok because its Halloween. Absolute BS. I'm sure people on both sides think this is disgusting.
Posted by: SBC at October 27, 2008 09:10 AM (5s6Ga)
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Totally wrong. Only a fool can defend murdering and lynching effigies.
Posted by: Joe C. at October 27, 2008 09:53 AM (wKdud)
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OMG, I am totally in love with your blog. Love your writing style. I must come back.
I agree with you on this post, what is wrong with people? I have no answers, only further questions. It makes me sick.
Posted by: Leslie at October 27, 2008 03:30 PM (ovRlN)
Posted by: Lauren at October 27, 2008 04:17 PM (Pt1kf)
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He may not be your favorite person, but Keith Olbermann just named this idiot who made the effigy art the "Worst Person in the World" today. He repudiated it his show which I'm sure you can see eventually up.
Posted by: SBC at October 27, 2008 06:03 PM (JLqd9)
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It's sick and disgusting to the nth degree, but not at all surprising. These idiots are so bigoted, racist, and downright stupid, I'm never surprised by how low they will stoop in pursuit of their goal.
No matter which candidate it had been - yes even Obama or Biden hung in effigy - it's wrong. It's not art and it's not cute. We don't see this being done by the other side and if it were done, it would be roundly condemned.
But at least we know the "enemy". We have seen what they accept without a blink. Remember this, know what you're fighting so you are never taken off guard or think they have anything resembling "feelings".
Posted by: Teresa at October 28, 2008 03:50 PM (mMa3+)
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I think between the attack hoax in Pittsburgh and the recent ATF bust of skinheads plotting to assasinate Obama and a number of African Americans, there's plenty of crap coming from the conservative side too. These are the outliers that tarnish the political process that makes this country great.
But pray tell, please inform me of who the "enemy" is. And how should a good American respond to such "enemies." Just curious. Really.
Posted by: SBC at October 28, 2008 08:03 PM (JLqd9)
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I totally agree - it's an offensive display.
How is it that women somehow escaped the "hate crimes" definition? I'm sure that many violent crimes are committed against women because someone hated their gender and wanted to exert control.
Thar she blows! (now with Profanity!)
Finally, I rant on the election (in stream of consciousness at 1am, so please excuse the grammar and typos and occasional lack of punctuation):
First up, John McCain. I'm going to set aside any personality issues I have with him, and even issues with why he is the candidate, and grant, up front, that he is the candidate for the republicans. He's tough, smart, clearly qualified for the job, and probably ready for it. He's also plenty healthy or he wouldn't be jumping around the country like a 12 year old, so fuck off to all you twits who say that he can't live out the term. I really have little else to say about John, except that I can't believe his temper hasn't got the better of him yet, and I wish we had a better candidate, rather than the default guy (Fred! I miss you! You would have stuck it to Obama every chance you got instead of smiling like a pansy!)
Which brings me to Sarah Palin. You have all underestimated her. All of you naysayers, Republicans and Democrats alike. The woman is NOT stupid. I repeat, NOT STUPID. She is very bright, and like many clearly bright people, is counting on her intelligence to pull her through an experience she was NOT prepared for. What you see is a classy chick trying to hold up her end of the bargain and do the job she KNOWS she can do as VP, even though maybe she wasn't clear on what this campaign would be like.
I have no doubt that she would be a good VP, and even, God forbid, a good President. There's nothing wrong with her that can't be said of the 3 dudes on the tickets. And seriously, all this hoohah over $150,000 for clothes and makeup? Are you kidding me? How much did Hillary or Barry spend on the same things? I know he wears makeup; I can see it on the TV. And how much were Biden's teeth and hairplugs? I mean come ON. If you're going there, I can too.
How fucking scared are the Democrats when all they can pull on her is that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant (but remember that according to them this is pregnancy #2 and she delivered Trig while knocked up with this baby) and her supporters spent a lot of money so she could look nice. Give me a motherfucking break. What about Obama and Bill Ayers? What about the ex- Fannie Mae CEO that ran Fannie into the ground and left in disgrace (but $90 mil RICHER) before Obama asked him for advice. Can we please put this in perspective?
Why does she scare you people so? Is it because you can't remember how to deal with people like the Palins? Or maybe that she's smarter than you? Or (gasp) that voters see her as real, approachable, and sensible in the ways that your candidate is not? And we're talking about the potential VP here, not the POTUS candidate.
Honestly, if Sarah Palin was really as much of a non-entity, in that milquetoast-vanilla-Dan Quayle way, as the liberals are foaming at the mouth to portray her, would it be WORTH all the effort? I mean let's face it. Dan Quayle was a fucking farce. A joke. From DAY 1. DAY 1. And Bush, Sr. knew it. But he got away with it because Dukakis was a joke as a candidate too. Sarah Palin is no joke.
Verily, I am amused at the sheer panic, the slavering, the need to get a dig in at her. To make people feel bad about supporting her. Why do that if she's Dan Quayle all over again? Seriously, if she's a joke just let her shoot herself in the foot.
Let's step over to another Sarah issue: Trooper-gate. This might have some teeth, and could be a real issue, but you notice no one in the media is pushing this very hard, even though hearings are taking place. Why? Because there is NO there there. The person who asked for the initial inquiry isn't even the guy who was fired. It's the sour grapes guy who lost to Sarah in the gubernatorial election. Don't believe me? Do the Google search yourself. Look at the articles in the Anchorage paper and the verified supporting documents posted all over the internet. The evidence is all out there.
I think the real problem with Sarah Palin is that a lot of smart people like to think they succeeded in life because they are smart, and they automatically assume that all the fuck-ups in this world are the not-smart ones. People like President Bush, and Sarah Palin, who present themselves to the world as less than uber-intelligent, and succeed ANYWAY, threaten that world view.
I can see some of you squirming. I know you. I went to school with you. I work with you. Hell, I AM you from time to time. I know what I am talking about and there's no denying it. I freely admit to having an occasional elitist moment. Smart people often have a certain world view about intelligence and ignorance: tolerance and acceptance is intelligent, rejection and exception are not; Environmentalism is intelligent, questioning or denying global warming is ignorant; Getting a college education is intelligent, going without shows your ignorance.... I could go on and on. Smart people are (or at least THINK they are) informed and tolerant, they want to give back and save the world and make everybody equal. And if you don't agree with those simple, wonderful things, you're ignorant, too.
Well, then kiss my ignorant PhD-covered ass. Because I don't agree.
People are amazing, and intelligent without a college degree or a fancy job or shared beliefs. That's the whole principle of Academic Freedom. We learn from each other by sharing our diverse ideas. Not by censoring, or dismissing out of hand the ones we think are ignorant. Ignorance is bliss after all. And the paradigm shifts born of ignorance have generally changed our world for the better.
Sarah Palin and George Bush clearly don't fit the paradigm. And well, we fear that which we do not understand.
And another thing about this election, a question I am DYING to ask my students (but which would reveal my own political leanings, something I am careful NOT to do. They pay me to teach Biology, not politics), or any democratic voter, is WHY do people love Barry Obama so much? Do you know what he stands for? Or are you only voting for him because of his position on the War? Do you even understand the implications of THAT? Are you voting for him simply because he's the Democrat? Because he's not George Bush? What did Bush do to you anyway? Do you understand what that means (in a real sense, not linguistically)? Do you even know what the Republican platform says? Hell, what the Democratic platform says? When Obama says change, what does that mean to you? How do you think that will work? What can he change, how will that help you? How exactly has Obama demonstrated to you by his actions that he is ready to be President?
As an informed voter, I can answer all of those questions with regard to why I am voting for McCain. I would guess many McCain supporters can, but that may be a personal bias. what the fuck, though, it's my blog, my opinion.
I would also guess that many Obama supporters can NOT.
Look, I think it's great Obama is running. I love that our country has become so colorblind that any person of color could run for any office. And yet, Obama's supporters focus on the negative: that racism is the only reason keeping people from voting for him. Give me a fucking break. Could it be that we disagree with him? Are black conservatives racist, too, because they choose to vote for McCain? I figure it this way if Obama wins, no one can ever pull the race card again. I mean, is there any greater measure of how far we've come than to elect a black man as our President? I mean holy shit, a black man and a woman running against each other! (yeah, yeah, I know, but you can excuse the conflation of the tickets to make my point)
I wish people wouldn't bring up race. We'll always have racism until we stop talking about it. My words included.
I wish I understood people's motivations better. Hence the questions, above. Maybe then I wouldn't be so angry at the political discourse that seems so full of invective. More this year than I can ever remember. Except for one occasion when I saw a young lady wearing a t-shirt that still haunts me. But that's a rant for another post on why the electoral college is important.
I have a number of friends who are voting for Obama. I am proud that some of them can actually answer the questions I have posed, and I respect them for making an informed decision, and politely disagree. I just wonder what percentage of voters on both sides actually can.
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I love reading what the smart girl has to say. Bravo!!!
Posted by: Greta Perry at October 23, 2008 03:20 AM (Xl4tG)
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/720xgfha.asp
Loathing Sarah Palin
Months Hate of feminists.
by Joseph Epstein
10/27/2008, Volume 014, Issue 07
The liberal women I know--and most of the women I seem to know are liberal--loathe Sarah Palin. They don't merely dislike her, the way one tends to dislike politicians whose views are not one's own, they actively detest her. When her name comes up--and it is they who tend to bring it up--their complexions take on a slightly purplish tinge, their eyes cross in rage. "Moron" is their most frequently used noun, though "idiot" comes up a fair number of times; "that woman" is yet another choice. A wide variety of adjectives, differing only slightly in their violence, usually precede these epithets.
Liberal men don't show the same fervent distaste for Governor Palin. They are more likely to say she doesn't come close to being qualified for the job of vice president and is frightening to contemplate as president. They might add that his choice of Sarah Palin is a serious sign of John McCain's flawed judgment, or of his political opportunism. The standard phrase "a heartbeat away" may come up. But then they let it go. They don't take Sarah Palin so personally, so passionately, as their liberal female counterparts do; the element of anger isn't there.
During his presidential campaign Mike Huckabee expressed a set of opinions not strikingly different from Sarah Palin's, yet my guess is that if he were John McCain's running mate these same women would not despise him with the same vehemence they do Sarah Palin. Some of this is due to snobbery, some possibly to envy. Governor Palin is, after all, a good-looking woman with what appears to be a happy family life who has achieved a great deal in a relatively brief time. But above all Sarah Palin's opinions, because they are held by her, a woman, suggest betrayal.
One might think that liberal women would have some admiration for Governor Palin's appearing to have solved the working mother problem that bedevils most contemporary American women. She is very feminine yet doesn't regard herself as a victim, and seems to be entirely at ease with men. Here is a woman raising five children who is able not only to have an active hand in the life of her community but actually win the highest political office in her state. As the governor of Alaska, moreover, she took on the corrupt elements in her own party, which requires courage of a kind liberated women especially, one would think, might admire.
Perhaps Sarah Palin's having a pregnant teenage daughter permits these same women to feel that she hasn't really solved the working mother problem after all. Yet teenage pregnancy is something that anyone who has a daughter or a granddaughter lives in terror of, for it can happen, as they say, in the best of families. Yet Sarah Palin seems to be handling this, too, with a measure of dignified calm and tolerance that most of us, in similar circumstances, probably couldn't bring to it. But she gets no credit for this either, at least not from the women I know who so relentlessly contemn her.
Strongly liberal women get most agitated over the issue--though of course to them it is no issue but a long since resolved matter--of abortion. Abortion, to be sure, is the great third-rail subject in American politics. But when a male politician is against abortion, these women can write that off as the ignorance of a standard politician, if not himself a Christian fundamentalist, then another Republican cynically going after the fundamentalist vote. A woman not in favor of abortion is something quite different.
And it is all the more strikingly different when the same woman not only holds this opinion on abortion but acts on it and knowingly bears a child with Down syndrome, a child that most liberal women would have thought reason required aborting. What else, after all, is abortion for?
A few months ago Vanity Fair ran an article about the discovery that the playwright Arthur Miller, with his third wife, the photographer Inge Morath, 40 or so years ago had a Down syndrome son. Miller promptly clapped the boy into an institution--according to the article, not a first class one either--and never saw the child again. Most people would have taken this for a heartless act, one should have thought, especially on the part of a man known for excoriating the putative cruelties of capitalism and the endless barbarities of his own country's governments, whether Democratic or Republican. Yet, so far as one can tell, Arthur Miller's treatment of his own child has not put the least dent in his reputation, while Sarah Palin's having, keeping, and loving her Down syndrome child is somehow, by the standard of the liberal woman of our day, not so secretly thought the act of an obviously backward and ignorant woman, an affront to womanhood. "Her greatest hypocrisy," proclaimed Wendy Doniger, one of the leading feminist lights at the University of Chicago, "is her pretense that she is a woman."
The daughter of a dear friend of mine used to say of her mother, "I sense her rage." Of course when the daughter said this, my friend's rage would only increase. Suggesting that liberal women feel rage over Sarah Palin is, similarly, likely only to enrage them all the more. But rage in their reaction to Governor Palin is emphatically what I do sense on the part of liberal women--that and delight in any attempt to humiliate her. (Tina Fey, take a bow, and, hey, let's watch that Katie Couric YouTube interview one more time!) I wonder if the women who loathe Sarah Palin with such intensity oughtn't perhaps to reexamine the source of their strongly illiberal feelings.
Joseph Epstein, a contributing editor to THE WEEKLY STANDARD, is the author most recently of Fred Astaire.
Posted by: CS at October 23, 2008 04:54 AM (wsSLm)
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"People are amazing, and intelligent without a college degree or a fancy job or shared beliefs. That's the whole principle of Academic Freedom. We learn from each other by sharing our diverse ideas. Not by censoring, or dismissing out of hand the ones we think are ignorant."
I agree wholeheartedly.
Posted by: Michele at October 23, 2008 05:52 AM (basue)
Posted by: Amanda at October 23, 2008 07:11 AM (ay+rD)
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sam i so agree. well said. i especially identify with this part...
'I can see some of you squirming. I know you. I went to school with you. I work with you. Hell, I AM you from time to time. I know what I am talking about and there's no denying it. I freely admit to having an occasional elitist moment'
smart chicks rock.
Posted by: kate at October 23, 2008 08:38 AM (Zq135)
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You hit all the points perfectly. All the questions I've been wanting to pose to those who think slogans are enough on which to base a vote (for either candidate). Bravo!
Posted by: Da Goddess at October 23, 2008 10:02 AM (3OqvP)
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This is of course if you want to hear what a liberal Democrat has to say.
You raised a lot of questions here but I only have time to first address Sarah Palin. As for the environment, that can be a longer more scientific discussion given that our education is strikingly similar.
There are two things that are striking of what you say. I certainly think 1) she is smart or she wouldnÂ’t have gotten as far as she has in such a short time and 2) I think the American people and the Democratic party overestimated given her huge flips of positive and negative ratios over time and how strong the Democratic party had to work against her. I donÂ’t think the DNC fears her at allÂ…in fact, I think theyÂ’re salivating over the fact that McCain chose her now (much like I think Republicans did at first when Palin was chosen after Obama did not pick Clinton as a VP).
IÂ’ll tell you why I could never vote for Palin (or McCain for that matter). I donÂ’t agree with her on any issue that matters to me: taxes, healthcare, research funding/earmarks, abortion, affirmative action, gay rights, creationism in school, gun control, and I would say international/foreign policy but I donÂ’t think sheÂ’s clearly formed a stance on that but whatever she has said IÂ’ve disagreed for the most part. Again, itÂ’s not that I think sheÂ’s not smartÂ…but I think sheÂ’s given off the impression that sheÂ’s not smart enough over time.
When she spoke at the RNC, frankly I was pretty blown away. I found her charismatic and strong. I think she made a very telling, positive first impression to the American people. But the dust settled. You had mentioned previously that you didn’t think she should *have* to do the major network interviews. I watched (and still watching the Williams-Pailn interview obviously) every single one of those interviews. There were no “gotcha” questions. There were bad answers. Katie Couric, the queen of “soft news,” did not make her look bad or stupid. Palin did that to herself. And if you think she did well, I really don’t think you’re looking at her objectively anymore. The campaign did a BIG mistake by shielding her from the press because those interviews are scary, stressful, and tough and she needed practice. She floundered. And I feel this is what made the American public turn on her…
HereÂ’s the way I can best describe the letdown of her performance in a nice lab metaphor. Say someone came up to you for a postdoc position in your lab. The person wants to work at your level and in your field but doesnÂ’t have specific training to your projects. But thereÂ’s some serious potentialÂ…say the person was a rising star as a graduate student. Well, definitely in science you give that person a chance. So the person comes to your lab and after a month the person not only canÂ’t do a Western but couldnÂ’t tell you the difference between HRP or AP as a substrate. Or hasnÂ’t successful made their own clones, or still couldnÂ’t troubleshoot a picky PCR reaction. You would reconsider your initial thoughts, IÂ’m sure. You would probably yell at the person to get their shit together. So, you have lab meeting two weeks later. The results are a little better but when you ask the person why the PCR reaction is still having problems and itÂ’s revealed that the person doesnÂ’t understand what Tms are and thatÂ’s why he/she canÂ’t troubleshoot it. At this point, your opinion of the person would be lowered greatlyÂ…hell you might have even kicked the person out of your lab at this point because why should you waste your NIH money on someone who canÂ’t get their shit together. For this geeky metaphor, I think this is what people are feeling. And the VP role is a much bigger deal than a postdoc in a competitive lab.
Frankly, I feel bad for her. ItÂ’s not that she couldnÂ’t have learned the material she needed to know to show understanding and competency, she was just unable to do it in such a short amount of time. Again, itÂ’s not that sheÂ’s not smart, but it now feels that she wasnÂ’t smart enough (in the short time frame).
As for the makeup/clothing thing – first of all, people did JUMP on Edwards for his $400 that he could AFFORD HIMSELF pointing to a potential hypocrisy of trying to be a populist candidate when you spend that much on a haircut. So, don’t think that the MSM is only jumping on Palin for that. And I’m sure Clinton and Obama put money in to present themselves…they should, as should Palin. I think the problem is that when you take GOP donor money to dress yourself up in Ferragamo and walk around as if you’re “Joe-Six-Pack.” Hell, I pay money to the Obama campaign and the DNC and get pissed off with how they spend it. If I donated to the RNC and I found out that 150K was spent on clothing and makeup (not just for her, but for her children) I would be pissed too when you’re down in the polls. I would be pissed that my money went to dress what is now being thought to be the #1 anchor for John McCain’s presidency. Even if I LIKED her, I would be pissed that the money wasn’t spent on, I dunno, OHIO.
As for Troopergate, it wasn’t the scandal itself, but the “coverup.” First there was let’s have transparency and then it was a democratic conspiracy. And I’ve done the Google searches too. She was only found of putting unfair pressure on Monnegan and that’s against Alaskan law. In itself, not a big deal. It was, again, the way she handled it.
It feels from my perspective that she had a promising start and she’s going to at best have a mediocre finish. I will not accept mediocrity (even from own party) for such an important job. But you know, you say it’s the democrats who are scared (which again, all I know is that we’re freaking happy that its become clear that McCain was pandering either to his base or trying to get disgruntled Clinton supporters as opposed to putting “country first” in his pick), I am curious to what you would call Kathleen Parker, George Will, and Christopher Buckley. These are conservative Repubilcans, with long track records, who risked their own party forsaking them while they stood up for their views. What would you say of them?
And I feel I must say this: if you’re going to do that thing where you tie try and tie Bill Ayers to Obama – fine, but then do this. Call out the CONSERVATIVE Annenberg group for putting him on the committee with Obama for EDUCATION, also supported by a Republican governor. It was for a freaking education group and the “relationship” was minimal at best. But if you’re going to go there, then don’t forget McCain and G. Gordon Liddy. McCain has said said he was "proud" of Liddy, and praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great at the beginning of his 2000 campaign. Does that include Watergate then? Does that include his admiration of Hitler? Does that include telling people to kill ATF with head shots? Is it stupid to bring this up because there’s no way John McCain supports any of that ugly shit? Of course it is. Frankly, I am surprised you would lower your argument to this shit. It detracts from other points you could be making.
Posted by: SBC at October 23, 2008 10:03 AM (q1M21)
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I'm unhappy with Palin, because she could be Fred. She could be better than Fred. But she keeps going back to a populist approach. And that's pissing me off. Oh, I'm still going to vote for Palin and McCain. I just wish she'd be the person I want her to be.
(Yes, said with tongue in cheek).
So, I think there are two issues with Palin, for the Democrats, that you sort of hit on.
First, they are elitist. People really think that only people who go to Ivy League schools are smart. Or really smart. Or whatever. And she didn't, and Obama did. Now the same people can't step back and say that Bush is smart -- he must have cheated. Their logic makes no sense. But anyway, the left is credentialist. They will believe anyone with the credentials (Gore with a Nobel) because they don't actually think things out. They appeal to authority (Paul Krugman) instead of reading different sides and making any sense out of it.
Also, people don't understand that there are more than three levels of intelligence.
They see "dumb", "regular" and "smart". Not "smart", "really smart", "super smart" etc. in a nice happy little bell curve distribution with *many* happy standard deviations of smartness. So people who call themselves smart frequently don't understand there are levels of smartness above them. (See: gifted education
They don't understand it either). THey are so used to thinking that when someone doesn't agree with them, it's because they are of lower intelligence. Because, frankly, if you're smart, there are a lot of people stupider than you. But a lot of moderately smart people have been told they're smart, and think that they're pretty much it, and there isn't smart above them. Surprise! There is! Now, I'm not saying Palin is super intelligent or not, I have no idea. I do not doubt she's at least a little smart. But I think a lot of Dems think that anyone they disagree with is stupid.
Posted by: silvermine at October 23, 2008 10:30 AM (qsBMy)
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Ok, someone needs to explain to me the elitist argument to me. Why is it because that if someone excels at academics they are elitist? Are CTG and I elitist because we to Caltech? Why is that Obama, who actually went to Oxy first and then transferred to Columbia, elitist? Is Bush elitist for going to Yale?
And as for Bush "cheating" in Yale...I don't think he cheated at Yale because even at Yale where the average GPA is pretty high he didn't do all that well (which btw, Kerry had a similar GPA to Bush's but guess who was called elitist). So, let me say this loud and clear -- just getting a degree doesn't make you smart (particularly at the Ivy's where they clearly reward the children of alumni). It's how you went about earning it and what you did with it. And that's where a lot of the criticism comes from. Instead of going, holy crap, Obama got into Oxy did well enough to transfer to Columbia and then he got into Harvard Law and was the first African-American to be editor of the Law Review is IMPRESSIVE in an academic sense, I keep on seeing this damn elitist word. This has NOTHING to do with being president -- plenty of smart people shouldn't be president, but why is it that if someone excels academically AND their liberal, they are elitist?
Maybe its that stupid ass arugula comment Obama made a while back. Are you going to CTG elitist because she gets a lot of her food at Trader Joe's?
Is McCain elitist because he wants to make a "commission of the smartest people" to tackle Social Security? My friends, he did not say ordinary people, he did not say Joe-six-packs, he did not say plumbers, he said smartest people. Is he elitist then, or is he just being smart and thinking about what might be best for the country?
When someone points to me when someone is actually being elitist, I will call them on it. Damn right I will. Because I have had people think they are better than me for a variety of reasons, I feel that sting.
But from anything else, how many of the undecided voters, how many of those independent voters, are elitist now because they might go blue? This elitism word is just the new "sexism" and "racism" card on both sides. I'm just tired of it.
Posted by: SBC at October 23, 2008 11:45 AM (q1M21)
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To me, elitist is an attitude that some people have based on their blessings and not being grateful for them. I suspect some people might see you and I as elitist because we went to Caltech, and Obama the same for going to Oxy AND Columbia. But the thing is, and you know it, we're not all like that, but many are. And they look down their nose at people like Sarah Palin, and people who LIKE Sarah Palin, as if the ignorance they perceive is as catching as cooties.
I reject that, and I abhor that. Because it's dismissive. And ignorant.
Posted by: caltechgirl at October 23, 2008 12:07 PM (IfXtw)
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WOW! Good rant. Am I an elitist if I went to Fresno State?
Posted by: Alan at October 24, 2008 03:16 PM (kloCp)
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"People like President Bush, and Sarah Palin, who present themselves to the world as less than uber-intelligent, and succeed ANYWAY, threaten that world view."
I don't think anybody needs to look that hard to see plenty of people in various fields that have suceeded without overt "uber-intelligence" or formal higher education, and they're often actually praised for it. I'd suggest however that many would question actively recruiting somebody stupid to hold the highest political offices of a country.
I'm British, but I'd suggest Sarah Palin (or her British equivalent) would not make it within a mile of 10 Downing Street, not because of elitism, but because of meritocracy. The need to ascend through the parliamentary ranks, and hold ministerial (or shadow) posts means that candidates are tested, and compete before their peers and the country. Those unable to name ANY newspaper, talk in coherent sentences, or demonstrate understanding of fundamental issues of the day just don't cut it. I guess we just expect more of them.
I'm not sure what success you're talking about in the context of GWB. I suspect that he will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents the US has had, and possibly the one that presided over the transition of the US from pre-eminence to also ran.
Good luck on Nov 5th. I hope it's not too painful a day. No doubt you will put "country first" and support whoever wins.......
Posted by: Spectator at October 24, 2008 11:27 PM (cfSni)
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"So how can Bush be as bad as Harding? Or Grant? Van Buren? Buchanan? How 'bout Nixon or Carter, anyone?"
Greatest economic crisis since the great depression, largest national debt in history, largest government in history, response to katrina/ike, two wars, gitmo, spying on Americans before getting proper permission, spying on army staffers having phone sex, cronyism in epic proportions, firing of justice department employees based on political beliefs, loss of standing on the international stage, substandard health care for veterans, excessive no bid contracts, government agents having sex and drugs with oil companies, and I'm sure I can think of many more...
That's more than a couple warts. But of course I am thankful we haven't had another attack on US soil. But there have been plenty of people, including GWB's father, who have managed to protect our soil without sinking our prestige and prosperity too.
Posted by: SBC at October 25, 2008 05:55 PM (JLqd9)
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This is long, but I want to give you a clear picture of what I believe the liberal and moderate response to Obama is, and pose some reasonable questions to your own commentary.
Who do I think Obama is? At root, an inspirational figure at a time when this country dearly needs to believe in itself despite recent failures -- whether those failures are truly our own or were out of our control. Is he as awesome as he tries to seem? No. But he's going to try to be, and he fills out the inspirational role pretty well in my opinion. I'd say the same about JFK and RFK -- not perfect men by any means, but they tried to give us something to look up to and inspire us to be better, in positive ways, and I want that in a leader.
Change? If it means getting more of his campaign money from individuals, then yeah, that's change. Ditto for stomping on corporate execs and businesses earning millions for skinning American wallets and selling jobs down the river -- both things Bush and his Republican Congress turned a blind eye to, despite their talk. Do I think Obama will win all those fights, or even fight relentlessly for them? No. But it'll be an improvement on what I think McCain will do. Obama will go to war if needed, but not without considering and planning for every contingency. He is more likely to catch bin Laden than McCain because by pulling out of Iraq he'll have the forces and funds available, and maybe even develop a few Arab (and European) allies as we go.
Got plenty more, but I'll just move on to this: I don't need my Prez or VP to be approachable to me. Why do you? I want him to kick my ass in chess, then Global Thermonuclear War, and then beat Deep Blue and WOPR with one hand tied behind his back right before he suckers the Russians and the French into agreeing to pay us to store our nuclear waste. I want a charismatic brainiac (emphasis on the latter) that's on my side and will FUCK the next idiot to screw with us, who will take advantage of anyone on my behalf and WIN WIN WIN. I have seen reasons to believe Obama is on my side, and lots of reasons to believe he's fucking brilliant -- for one thing, he BEAT the Clinton machine!
As for elitism, what does he need to do to show you he recognizes his blessings? In his stump speeches, Obama invariably brings up his grandparents and everything they did for him, and emphasizes how in no other country is his life story even possible.
"Thinking they're better than me." Grrr. How is the Republican drumbeat on "heartland values" NOT exactly that? All I ever hear from the Reps is how the "heartland" has such better values, etc than the country's largest cities -- though they are home to our financial engines, our centers of learning, and so much more that it boggles the mind that any politicians can manage to insult millions of Americans time and again. Even if it's indirect ("I was praising them, not insulting you"), it's more blatant and constant than anything the liberal politicians do, that I'm aware of. (Yes, "cling to guns and religion" etc -- but that's not remotely as constant.)
"I know he wears makeup; I can see it on the TV."
Is this a serious concern? Makeup is in the nature of TV -- when McCain skipped out on Letterman for a spot with Katie Couric, Letterman cut to a live feed of McCain getting worked over by the makeup person. It's standard; to not wear makeup is stupid. Even Angelina Jolie looks iffy sans makeup on TV.
On to Palin: If you think the only thing the Dems are bothered by is Palin's preggo daughter and wasteful spending on clothes, I'm simply baffled. Dems don't like her because of her stances on the issues. And if Bill Ayers is an honest issue, I'm a Republican. In this vein, is the Fannie Mae CEO thing an issue? Yes, and I do wish it was covered more in depth. But so are McCain's deregulatory votes and adviser, etc.
Palin's misuse of language, hiding from the press, cronyism in Alaska, etc. I believe Americans want our leaders to be smarter and at least less obvious about hiding their mistakes. And the only people slathering to "get at" her are the comedians -- because she IS a joke. She is an easier target than shooting Quayles in a barrel. Ask Leno. And if you haven't seen her shooting herself in the foot time and again, then you're ignoring what she has had to say. Your defense of Palin seems more relevant to four weeks ago than to today.
"And the paradigm shifts born of ignorance have generally changed our world for the better."
Name two. Maybe I simply don't understand what you're trying to say here, but I'll give you a few counterexamples: Nazi paranoia about Jews; the Red Scare; internment camps for Japanese Americans; the first jackasses that landed in Africa and said, "hey, let's enslave these fuckers, they don't have guns"....
"Sarah Palin and George Bush clearly don't fit the paradigm. And well, we fear that which we do not understand."
I think you misunderstand the concerns many Americans have about Bush and Palin. For one, both act as unreflective "true believers" who refuse to acknowledge mistakes that were and will be made -- and therefore they will keep making them. They avoid the press and dissenting opinions, and hide actions and decision-making that should be public. This is wrong behavior, no matter who is doing it. For another, stupid is as stupid does -- and not anticipating the Sunni-Shia conflict that would erupt after Hussein's removal was STUPID. So many other examples, but that's probably the worst.
"I would also guess that many Obama supporters can NOT." re: knowing platforms and believing crazy shit about their opponents.
I have no idea why you think McCain supporters actually know more about Obama than vice versa. That's not my experience. I've seen a horrifying number of McCain supporters whose grasp of reality and truth is almost as hazy as a terrorist's -- and no American has an excuse for that. Obama is a Muslim? An Arab? I'm not even going to expect so much of these people that they understand it's bullshit to package an entire religion or race as Evil. I just want them to know truth that is so easy to find it's ridiculous.
Maybe the press just covers the conservative crazies and not the liberal nuts. But even members of my own family have shared that unacceptable ignorance. And I've not seen the same level of blindness among Dems; thinking McCain will continue the war indefinitely is the most extreme belief I've seen there, excepting "The Man" conspiracies. Oh, some liberals do seem to think Obama will fix "everything" -- that's silly. As for the Rep hoaxer in Pennsylvania, let's call her a total outlier.
"I figure it this way if Obama wins, no one can ever pull the race card again."
Seriously? So if Obama wins, all the racist fucks I've met in my life will no longer discriminate? We'll never see a black man pulled over for driving while black? A white man can walk without fear through the heart of Compton? No one will see Latinos standing on a corner and treat them like they're illegals? WOW. He IS the Messiah! So glad you pointed this out!!!
That had to be a joke, just as my response to it was a joke as well.
Aaaand I'll just leave this at that rather than go on and on and on even more.
Posted by: Joe C. at October 25, 2008 06:34 PM (JLqd9)
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Whoa, that's quite a rant, and a great one at that! I've said it before -- the gender bigotry and ageism exhibited by the Libs is disgusting and hypocritical.
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Joe, did you seriously read that as "no one will ever be racist again?" that's the opposite of what I meant. What I was trying to say is that no one can ever again claim that the "system" is racist and that people of color are automatically at a disadvantage. How could that argument carry any weight in a US with a Black President?
And really, I think you maybe saw too much of yourself in that, seeing as how you overreacted. I mean the Barry makeup thing was complete hyperbole, simply designed to point out that he has a clothing and makeup budget, too, Just no one ever asks how much he's spending.
Posted by: caltechgirl at October 26, 2008 03:56 PM (IfXtw)
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In Joe's defense, I really could't tell when you're talking in hyperbole in this post and when you're being serious. It's harder obviously when we see text as opposed to talking to you in our living room. When we're in the same room its easier to know when you're making a joke or what you're placing emphasis on. I recalled you making some pretty spirited negative remarks about John Edwards wearing makeup before so even *I* thought you were making comments about the makeup issue (even though I'm pretty sure when you brought it up you were just going on about how much you dislike about Edwards). Clearly you weren't after you explained.
But I would like you to elaborate a little further on what you think "the system" is because I'm feeling that both of you are missing each other's point. I think what you're saying is (and please correct me) that because a man of color reached the highest office of the land the system can't be accused of being racially unfair. If that's the case, I think you're being too broad. There are clearly a few big corporations where CEOs are of color but it is DISPROPORTIONATELY white. Or there are how many female scientists with professor positions but the number of female science professors versus the male counterparts are not close to equal. We BOTH know how sexist science and academia can be despite women having top positions. I think if Obama wins it will help erode racism a lot, but I don't think him being elected will automatically take the race card out of the deck. You mentioned that racism would stop when we stop talking about it. I think people stop talking about when there are different races at every level of society in an approximately proportionate number...not when one is only at the top and bottom.
And I would like to see specific numbers out too on the what the DNC spent for makeup/hair if that matters. It's been noted that nothing on clothes have been spent but makeup and hair has but I haven't heard specific numbers either. I actually think its unfortunate for Palin and a stupid decision by the RNC. Like I said earlier, its not so much that the money was spent as in the context it was spent in, but in the mean time it detracts from real issues and frankly tarnishes Palin's image even more for no reason.
Posted by: SBC at October 26, 2008 06:32 PM (JLqd9)
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Encore! Encore!
Hot Damn Girl! YOU ARE ON FIRE!
Well said. Well said.
Posted by: Lauren at October 27, 2008 04:25 PM (Pt1kf)
Funny, I was going to blog something
Damn cold medicine. It makes me loopy, so just a few quick takes for y'all
It has become increasingly clear to me that the Democrats are scared shitless of Sarah Palin. The sheer amount of vitriol being flung around (BTW, anyone know what vitriol REALLY is?) combined with the increasing hysteria about the fact that they can find any dirt that seems to stick is becoming increasingly laughable. Memo to the MSM: when hardcore BDS suffering Liberals begin to feel that the all-out, anti-Sarah barrage is TOO much, it's time to back off. And on a related note, so what if Sarah won't sit don for yet another hit-piece interview? Who said she had to let you piss in her sandbox? Or that she had to play your game? Especially when the rules change more frequently than Calvinball and the only thing that stays the same is that Sarah loses...
ESPN makes me happy. Not sure why, but there's really something comforting about being able to turn on something on the TV that sounds like the news, but won't make me scream and throw things at the TV. I need the "audio/visual wallpaper" when I'm working. Usually I have FoxNews or the local news on, but I just am so tired of knowing more about the story being reported than the editor or reporter who write and read the news scripts.
Anyone else think Kenley's dress on Project Runway last Wednesday looked like something Betty would wear on Ugly Betty? Yeah, me too.
Fake sudafed is for shit. It works about 1/10 as well as the real stuff, and they don't make the formulation that works for me with the real stuff any more. AARRGH. So I suffer. Benedryl ain't cutting it either, and I am sneezing every 5 minutes. Not to mention waking up every 45 minutes and sleeping badly in between...
Just waiting to see if shit rains down on my head about coming home early. I met all my responsibilities for the day, I taught my class and picked up HW and went to my meeting, where I also sat far away from everyone so I wouldn't give them germs.
I still have a hell of a lot of work to do, and a million small personal things to get taken care of. But I think it's nappy nap time.
Two quick links before I go: 1. Check out the investigative journalism done by the fine folks at My Pet Jawa regarding anti-Palin "viral" videos
2.wRitErsbLock went to see the Sarah Palin rally at the Villages, FL this weekend, check out her pictures.
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I hope you feel better....
And I LIKE that Palin doesn't play by other people's rules and that there is no dirt on her. Says a lot, doesn't it?
Posted by: Lauren at September 23, 2008 12:18 AM (Pt1kf)
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I believe "vitriol" is an old (apothecaries') name for sulfuric acid.
I am so ****ing sick of all the ugliness. Of the fact that ordinary Joes and Janes seem to be rejoicing in the fact that they can somehow claim they're "better" than Palin, because of some trait she has that seems "weird" to them, because they're city-folk.
I'm actually a little scared of what's going to happen November 5th, after McCain wins, when all the Obamites have to find someone to blame. Because "your candidate just wasn't what America wanted" is not something they will accept, at least not the more outspoken ones. Expect a lot more claims of "racism."
Posted by: ricki at September 23, 2008 05:41 AM (O5SYw)
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Can't do ESPN. If I need noise I'll put on the radio one of the music stations from Dish.
Posted by: NAVY CPO at September 23, 2008 09:26 AM (FzhYM)
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I can't believe people like Palin. She has no respect for women's rights, doesn't care about the beautiful environment that she had the fortune to grow up in, and has absolutely no experience at all!
Posted by: Hates Palin at September 23, 2008 09:49 AM (9L24S)
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Really? Which rights are those? The right to vote, work, have children, participate in the system? I submit that the women's rights movement was about everything that Sarah Palin stands for, and NOT about the right to end a pregnancy.
As for her environment, polar bears are returning to dangerous-to-human levels, and the moose and caribou are flourishing near the pipelines. I suggest you do your homework.
Finally, don't even try to pull the experience card. Name me one instance where Obama (who, I might add is the PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, not the VP candidate)has had to make an executive decision outside the running of his family. I'd say being Governor, and mayor, presentes Sarah with a lot of opportunities to understand what running the show is like. Obama hasn't even served in a leadership role in the senate.
Posted by: caltechgirl at September 23, 2008 09:56 AM (IfXtw)
Excuse me? (Profanity alert)
Further proof that the Left has lost their minds.
Wendy Doniger, professor of Divinity at the University of Chicago on Sarah Palin:
"Her greatest hypocrisy is in her pretense that she is a woman."
EXCUSE ME? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Of course Sarah Palin is a woman. Last I checked she has all the requisite parts, including (most importantly) TWO X CHROMOSOMES.
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I understand your upset, and I do not even have a vagina.
Posted by: Two Dogs at September 16, 2008 07:19 PM (iwF+e)
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yeah. I really don't get it. How is she not a woman?
HOW?!?
Is it because she CHOOSES to be Pro-life?
Idiots.
Too many so-called "Feminists" are really...not for women.
I am a woman and I can say with all seriousness that working makes me a better mom. Baking makes me a better mom. Loving Prince Charming makes me a better mom. Having an opinion on politics and foreign affairs makes me a better mom.
Now, motherhood is not the yardstick by which all things feminine are measured, but it is ONE thing.
I am a woman who chooses to be
Informed,
Employed,
a mother,
a wife,
Conservative,
a domestic goddess,
and a force to be reckoned with.
A true "feminist" would say "YOU GO, GIRL!" or something like it, not denigrate me for choosing to master the domestic arts or have conservative views. If you want to empower women, you have to make room for contrary feminine views.
I like it when a man holds a door for me, but I always say thank you for it. In the absence of a man, however, I am fully capable of opening that door myself - and I do.
Letting a man do me a courtesy doesn't deny my female power or subjugate me to a man anymore than saying "bless you" or "please" or "thank you" subjugates me to a religious doctrine or societal constraint.
In the words of my daddy, "Fuck 'em!"
Posted by: Phoenix at September 17, 2008 11:19 AM (FK3xh)
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That's just an inappropriate comment, and it really surprises me that a professor of divinity would say such a crass thing. If she wanted to say that Palin does not support and would block what some would call female rights such as the right to control one's body or force rape victims to pay for their own rape kits (up to $1200), that would have been reasonable because the former she professes and the latter is in record. Its just as bad as when Rush Limbaugh called Justice Souter a girl, which I'm sure the Right though was inappropriate too.
Posted by: SBC at September 17, 2008 12:52 PM (hmiWU)
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I wanted to fisk that dumbass article but ran out of time. There was so much there. Beyond this particular comment, the part that got me was excoriating Palin for wanting people to have access to firearms, yet claims that the right to abortion is "in the mother-lovin' constitution".
The cognitive dissonance is mind-boggling.
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...... wolves, wow...... you know, one only hopes that someone sic's the wolves on Obama and his history with such fervor as HE and his camp is attacking Palin...... turn about is only fair play, after all..... but in the end, I suspect that no one will have the balls to do it......
Posted by: Eric at September 19, 2008 05:28 PM (g02Hg)
Technology and your candidatesBetanews has summarized (pretty fairly, I might add) the technology issues records of both sides' POTUS and VPOTUS candidates.
Interestingly, Betanews reporter Ed Oswald found that Sarah Palin has championed distance learning programs and tele-medicine development as Governor of Alaska, and has used the internet to make her administration more transparent.
John McCain: Service, Sacrifice, Substance
John McCain did what he needed to tonight. He was positive, forward-looking, and highlighted why HE was the best candidate for president. He pointed out differences in his platform and that of the Democrats, but he didn't really go after Obama. Which was a SMART move.
Certainly, it was not as electric as Gov. Palin, but in my opinion, he drew people in and hooked his audience pretty well.
I liked that he had some substantive nuggets of policy. That he will push comprehensive energy reform, looking to new and cleaner sources of energy, as well as taking advantage of our OWN resources. That he favors school choice which includes public school options, and not just vouchers for private schools. That he wants to retrain American workers for modern jobs instead of chasing down the long-gone factories, because they sure as hell aren't coming back.
Most of all, I loved that he said this:
I'm not running for president because I think I'm blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need. My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God.
That's such an amazing statement. Humble, thankful, and sticking it to Obama (the "anointed" one, the "chosen" one). All in the same sentence.
Yeah, he may be a complete asshole, but he talks good. And I want to see what he and Sarah will do in Washington.
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I must have fallen asleep by the time he made the aforementioned statement. Wow. I That's powerful stuff...!
I'm like you; I want to see what they'll do in Washington. If people really believe they want four more years of the same, they're blind.
Posted by: pam at September 05, 2008 06:11 AM (l6NIn)
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Who is this guy? I haven't seen him on any news shows or papers, nothing. Did that black guy drop out of the race when that Nazi woman got in?
Posted by: Two Dogs at September 05, 2008 06:40 AM (a5aNq)
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I actually felt a little bad for him. He had a decent speech (then again, by this point how can anyone at his level in either party not have a decent speech), but I think Palin just stole the show. I think he really got overshadowed by her. Even if Palin's rheoteric at time offended me, I totally see how she connected with conservative Republicans better than McCain did.
Posted by: SBC at September 05, 2008 09:55 AM (ZY+XY)
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I agree that while Mc wasn't as electrifying as Palin, he did say what needed to be said, and said it well, in the way that he does.
Love your blog! Found you via Habitation of Justice <3
Posted by: beej at September 05, 2008 11:37 PM (+Bw8m)
5Yeah, he may be a complete asshole, but he talks good.
And he's the asshole for whom I'll be voting. Him and his lovely librarian.
Posted by: Mrs. Who at September 06, 2008 07:57 PM (x4sNM)
Sarah Palin Delivers
I am blown away. Just blown away.
Maybe because I agree with almost all of the things she said tonight, but she is a dynamic speaker with a common, inviting manner that makes you WANT to listen to her.
I loved her speech. I still want to hear her speak to Troopergate, and why she filed an ethics complaint on herself. I want to know more about her earmark requests and whether that's consistent with McCain's position on pork.
But I think she did a masterful job of introducing herself, avoiding distasteful issues, and SKEWERING the Democratic ticket on a number of issues.
I look forward to more from Sarah as the campaign continues, and I think she'll continue to prove just why John McCain picked her as his running mate.
UPDATE: Here's what some of my Cotillion sisters thought of Sarah's speech:
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She hit a home run - way out of the ball park tonight. She caught all those news idiots totally off guard... apparently they started to believe all the stories they were making up about her. Best of all, she showed that she can speak well and is tough as nails. I loved it. Can't wait to see her take on Biden - she will walk all over him and then use his shirt to wipe the floor. LOL!
Posted by: Teresa at September 03, 2008 09:49 PM (mMa3+)
Posted by: wRitErsbLock at September 04, 2008 05:38 AM (+MvHD)
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Go over to Flopping Aces to get a good rundown on the trooper story.
Posted by: physics geek at September 04, 2008 08:42 AM (MT22W)
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AP piece on some of the fact checking. But honestly, everyone stretches the truth in their speeches.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check
Posted by: SBC at September 04, 2008 02:55 PM (8lf3W)
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Love her too!!! The speech was the icing on the cake for me.
Posted by: Greta at September 04, 2008 08:11 PM (Xl4tG)
Why, Fred, Why? (Day 2 RNC speeches: Thompson and Lieberman)
Why didn't you run? I damn near peed myself watching you kick so much "pinkytoe" (to steal a sarahk-ism). This was among the best political speeches I have ever heard. I really hope John rewards you with some kind of role. In any case, I look forward to your time on the campaign trail....
And, Joe, my man, your Democrat friends are taking you off their speed dials tonight. That took serious balls. My hat's off to you for going through with the courage of your convictions and backing your friend for President.
Can't wait for the Sarah-Cuda tomorrow. I really look forward to hearing what she has to say for herself, and how she responds to the rivers of BS that have been spewing since Friday.
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I didn't know if Fred's speech excited me because I'd wanted him to run so badly... or if it was just a great a$$ kicking speech. But my husband and I loved it.
Posted by: pam at September 03, 2008 03:46 AM (l6NIn)
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Thompson was incredible -- they definitely picked the right person to deliver that bit of history. I'll admit I fell asleep during Lieberman, and I look forward to Palin tonight too...
Posted by: Marie at September 03, 2008 04:20 AM (UunPp)
Posted by: wRitErsbLock at September 03, 2008 05:01 AM (+MvHD)
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and can you believe the excerpt they keep playing on NBC is when he called Obama unqualified? I can't believe they picked that sentence to vilify their hero.
Posted by: wRitErsbLock at September 03, 2008 05:02 AM (+MvHD)
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I watched the youtubes this am...and wanted to cry I loved it so much..
Thompson/Palin....
that would have rocked...
I watched Fred, and thought,
Why in the hell did you not make this speech months ago...
Posted by: awtm at September 03, 2008 04:44 PM (EgGGv)
Dear Libtards,
I didn't intend on more Sarah-blogging today, but you people are making me swear (profanity alert below)....
Seriously? Are you seriously gonna run with this whole Sarah Palin is an irresponsible mother thing? The "Sarah the Hypocrite" meme?
Give me a motherfucking break.
First of all, would you be so "outraged" if the mom in question was Hillary Clinton, and the daughter a teenaged Chelsea? I fucking doubt it. And yet, the Clintons ran on a family values ticket, too. Maybe not as conservative as the Republicans, but I've heard Hill trumpet that family values thing a million times and so have you. No use denying it.
Second, you show me a parent, working or otherwise, who is going to sit on their 17 year old daughter 24/7/365. Kids do dumb shit. We all did something stupid or wrong as teenagers. We had sex, we drove too fast and recklessly, we drank, we smoked, we did drugs. If our parents never found out, it's because we just got lucky and got away with it, whichever of the above that we did before we turned 20. Bristol Palin just wasn't so lucky. Every parent who has ever been a child knows that no matter what you tell your kids, or how often you tell them, some things they are just going to do, from day one, and some lessons they have to learn for themselves. From "stoves are hot" to "sex is how you get pregnant".
Tell me how it makes you a hypocrite when your kid fucks up? I assume Sarah and Todd have told all their older kids about the consequences of sex. If they told her, and continued to reinforce their values, what else can we ask of them? It's not like Sarah held Bristol down and forced her to sleep with her boyfriend.
And what of that relationship? It looks like Bristol and her boyfriend are planning to do the responsible thing and marry and raise their child. Shouldn't we encourage that? Shouldn't we applaud a young couple with the maturity to face the consequences of their actions and face life head on? Chances are very good that this young couple will be better situated to succeed academically and otherwise given that they both appear to have supportive families who will help them in this time of extreme transition.
Don't tell me you don't know anyone who has ever been in this situation, either the teenage mom/ dad or their parents. It's a tough thing. I'll bet you weren't so harsh and judgmental towards the people you know. I'll bet they told their kids (or were told by their parents) not to have sex, too. They didn't listen either.
And you didn't go off the deep end. You were probably understanding, caring, even, maybe said a prayer for healing. You were probably willing to forgive the mistake and move forward. For your friendship's sake. For your family's sake.
So why the hatred towards Sarah and her family? Is it because you're terrified she can defeat your Messiah of Hope and Change? Is it that her political "inexperience" still beats your guy's "experience"? Is it because she singlehandedly knocked your guy out of the news cycle ALL WEEKEND?
It's kind of silly, the way you people look. Foaming at the mouth is unbecoming, and especially so when it's so out of proportion as a reaction.
According to the record, Sarah Palin has been nothing but a caring mom trying to do her best by her state and her family. Maybe that's too much for you to handle and it confuses you. I don't know. But then again, if your brains were working properly you might be asking the same tough questions of Obama and Biden that you demand of McCain and Palin.
Otherwise, just don't go there. And hopefully that's the last I will have to say on this subject, except to wish this young couple and their baby all the best in a long happy life together.
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you go, Caltech girl! the lefty response has been irritating/sickening us all day -- but of course they think there's only ONE correct answer to an unexpected pregnancy ...
Posted by: altadenablog at September 01, 2008 07:56 PM (10Grp)
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My dear citrus sweet mavin,
I think it's always terrible when any person's private family life and experience is broadcast to the world- especially, when it becomes politicized. And, I am guilty of buying into it. Still, I think family matters aired in the public world for political purpose is inherently unfair. Revenge (or to avenge) does not make it right.
The truth is this girl has a personal problem. I feel for her. Although, her mother has political ambitions that seem to circumvent logic, meaning, and only convert to some kind of strange obedience to insanity, I still hold out that compassion to this young daughter. What choice has she had? Who has really cared about her interest, ever and from now on?
Posted by: Miss Havisham at September 01, 2008 10:18 PM (zXYj7)
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Very well said. I was thinking of blogging something very similar. Something about living with my grandparents the last two years of high school; good steady family foundation, been married their whole lives to each other, taught me from right and wrong, instilled good morale values - and yet when I turned 18 and joined the Navy I still went crazy with drinking too much and "other" stuff too. Yeah. And now, as a parent, now matter how hard I try to plant that family values seed into my kids heads; they are still going to go out and do their own thing. I can only hope and pray I taught them well.
Posted by: c.a. Marks at September 02, 2008 02:56 AM (ePdrC)
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If I gave out Excellent Post awards, you'd get one! Love it!
Posted by: pam at September 02, 2008 05:21 AM (l6NIn)
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My thoughts exactly, but more eloquently expressed. =)
Posted by: Amanda at September 02, 2008 02:06 PM (4q8Bb)
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Very very well said... I have been rolling my eyes here a LOT the past few days. What a bunch of crap - tho I am enjoying watching the Dems make asses of themselves. I just feel for Bristol - tough thing for a kid.
It's bad enough to have to face your mom and dad - let alone a whole nation... Sheesh.
Posted by: Richmond at September 03, 2008 07:32 AM (TwLUK)
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It doesn't make her a hypocrite -- but I wonder why she won't take this "personal" information and add it to the facts to develop a new political opinion. She wants abstinence-only education for her fellow countrymen, even though her own state suffers from a really high rate of teenage unwanted pregnancies. Even with the ever-present love and attention of such strong Christian parents, irresponsible choices still happen -- what about those who don't have that? I find it amazing that Palin doesn't step back and go, abstinence-only may not be the best education to teach children. Maybe her daughter wouldn't be knocked up now. No hatred here -- I hope the young woman has a healthy pregnancy and a happy life with her new child.
You're right that a parent can't sit on their children 24/7/365. But I don't know what kind of upbringing you had, but I did not have sex, do drugs, drink, etc. and that's because of my parents. Most of the people I know are the same. Though I knew a couple young women who got pregnant, funny enough, they all got pregnant before we had sex ed. And those unfortunate girls, the ones who chose to either abort or have the child, they did not come from a family with means and such a strong presence in the church as the Palins. They were the children who needed help and education the most because they did not have such caring parents. So, I'm not harping on the fact that she calls constantly "family values" into her platform -- I'm harping on the fact that she has indicated that she would make abstinence-only education nationwide when there must be a thousand Bristols across the country who need knowledge, not ignorance. And btw, if it did happen to Chelsea, I certainly would be calling the Clintons on their values too.
But as for their marriage -- 2/3 of teenage pregnancies lead to divorce. I don't want children (and yes, when they're 17 I think they're still kids) to feel like they are forced into the most holy of unions. I want them to be married because they love each other and they want pledge to each other for the rest of their lives. And frankly, given that such a huge thing like a baby is in the picture, I would say that's pretty darn hard to do without feeling some pressure, and not the right kind of pressure. Given how open this country is, I would rather they take time together before getting married. I think the father should definitely be responsible and be part of his child's life, but seriously, marriage can be scary and stressful enough as it is, it should be entered with the same caution and respect as having a child. Not all societies are as open and welcoming as this one, so I don't feel like they should feel any bit forced into this. But does that sound like something her social conservative fellows and the religious right would support? Man, sometimes I feel for her so bad that I feel pressure from the right that she has to marry.
But on top of the whole abstinence-only education, I will go here: In her press release, Palin said "We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents." That decision will not exist if Palin has anything to say about it (as she's indicated) through Supreme Court Justice picks. And maybe there's a lot of people who would prefer this country that way. But even though there may thousands of Bristols across the country, I'm thinking a lot of those Bristols don't have the resources, family support, or future husband/father that the young Palin woman has... and I will never hold that against them or take away their right to choose, and I certainly wouldnʼt want the state making the decision for her/them. I thought Republicans think that the state makes too many decisions for us as it is.
So, there you go. An argument against Palin that doesn't attack her as a parent, but has issues with her inability to take her own personal experiences and reach a more progressive conclusion.
Posted by: SBC at September 04, 2008 12:29 PM (8lf3W)
The news of Palin's selection is an intoxicating mix for the people here: pride in a hometown hero, good news (finally!) for a scandal-racked Alaska, and, for this deeply red part of the state, relief that the Republican Presidential ticket just got a lot more conservative than it was.
No wonder T-shirts saying Go Sarah! started sprouting up by mid-afternoon. Beagley's own homemade batch of 150 McCain/Palin t-shirts arrived at 2 p.m. and were sold out within the hour, leaving Palin fans sifting in vain through piles of shirts that say Grim Reefer and Chicks Dig Me. In town, businesses have been putting up exuberant messages of support, as if Sarah! was once again on the high school basketball team, headed off to state finals.
So his name is Levi. That's about the only thing that I didn't know about Bristol Palin's pregnancy. The rest of the details I picked up almost without trying, while talking about other things with townsfolk — some who know the governor and her family well, some who don't. It was, more or less, an open secret. And everyone was saying the same thing: the governor's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, the father is her boyfriend, and it's really nobody's business beyond that.
Great articles about the Governor and her hometown. A genuine portrait of a small town.
Weighing in on Sarah Palin
I've been quietly cheering behind the scenes since Friday's announcement, waiting to see how things would shake out.
Day after day, the more I learn about Gov. Palin, the more impressed I am. Why you ask? Because I am convinced that she is a genuine person who is committed to the ideals of public service that this country was founded on.
Remember the movie Dave? How Dave is motivated to be involved in making a difference because he sees how important it is after pretending to be President? I am convinced that Sarah Palin feels that way. She started out in the PTA, and then the city council before being elected Mayor. Her track record shows that she is interested in fair government, small government, and reform above all else.
I am excited to have a politician on the national scene for once who "gets it" , and who is in fact a public servant, rather than a self-serving politico, although I have some concerns about some of her views.
The other thing I like about Sarah Palin is that she is just normal. She's a mom, juggling work and her 5 kids with the help of a seemingly devoted husband. It pisses me off that some would insinuate that her husband is incapable of helping her take care of the kids. He may be a man's man (from all appearances) but he also seems to love being a dad and relish the chance to be involved with his kids' lives. And so what if her 17 year old daughter is pregnant. Does that really reflect on the parents anymore? Is it a shameful thing these days to have a child out of wedlock?
I'd argue that it doesn't and it isn't. And furthermore, whether Palin is elected VP or not, I'd say that Bristol and Levi's baby is starting his/her life with a lot more on the plus side than most babies born to teen moms and dads.
If anything, Bristol's pregnancy and her parents' support reflects positively on the Palin family. That they love their daughter and support her in the face of what must be an incredibly difficult time for her. Some might say that Gov. Palin is selfish, campaigning and putting her daughter in the spotlight while she copes with the difficulties of being pregnant and the idiots who would rebuke her for being so young and unmarried. And yet it seems that this would be Bristol Palin's fate anyway. After all, her mom IS the governor. And anyway, having a baby is a blessing, not a catastrophe.
I can't wait until one of the attack dogs representing the Obamamama campaign tries to make Bristol Palin into this year's Mary Cheney. That's when the metaphorical excrement will be hitting the air conditioning...
Yeah, I like that she's a conservative and that she is an NRA member and all that. But that's not what makes her so refreshing as a candidate, and it's not what is energizing the party.
And the left is energized too. I mean, they must be so scared they're running in circles. They can't criticize Gov. Palin. They can't find trash on her, so they invent stories. Some of which are so far off base that they're scientifically IMPOSSIBLE. I laughed out loud at Alan Colmes' insinuation that poor prenatal care was the cause of Trig Palin's Downs Syndrome.
This is the voice of the left, my friends, shrill and irrational, grasping at any straw to tear down their opponents, regardless of party. It's almost like Colmes felt so compelled to say something, ANYTHING, that he opened his mouth to get in on the dead air first. That he spoke before he even knew what he was saying.
If the liberals are reaching so hard that all they can do is make shit up, we on the right have every reason to rejoice and support a ticket that CAN win in November.
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And what's scary is what'll happen if we allow these ultra-left wing fringe freaks into public office. I still shudder at just how close Al Gore came to being President.
Hopefully enough good, sensible Americans will see what these freaks have to offer and decisively vote against them.
Posted by: diamond dave at September 01, 2008 03:16 PM (yMNPa)
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I remember reading a few eyars agoa novel called A Sabbathday River which has a pregnancy related crime at the centre of its plot.
But it was written by a liberal and has a conservative evil prosecutor who is hell-bent on using scientifically fantastic happenings as basis for prosecution. It revealed a depth of paranoia about the right.
I am now thinking what the author must be thinking now when a conservative woman is facing just such a barrage but this time from the left?
Probabbly, she'd be part of the group that's hurling abuse at Gov. Palin
Posted by: prom at September 01, 2008 10:21 PM (U2Wc+)